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8ª cuestión INACTIVA. Hidroavión en submarino y globos

Notapor Trivial el Lun Dic 19, 2005 2:31 pm

Una facilita de regalo de navidad.

Ocasiones en las que fue bombardeado Estados Unidos en su territorio continental (Esto es entre la costa del Atlántico y el Pací­fico) desde el aire durante la Segunta Guerra Mundial y de que forma

Para aclacrar, no vale por ejemplo Pearl Harbor o una embajada ve tu a saber donde.

También hay que alcarar en que consistió el bombardero ehh.

Para dar como válida la respuesta hay que citar al menos 2 formas diferentes


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Notapor Trivial el Dom Ene 01, 2006 9:03 pm

Lo voy a dejar algunos dí­as más sin pistas por que esta es facilona y hombre, para que veais que soy buena gente y de tiempo a responder a los demás :)
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Notapor Trivial el Lun Ene 09, 2006 12:38 am

Es un mero formalismo, por que es facilona ehh.

La pista

Imagen

A partir de ahora las respuestas solo valen 50 puntos
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Notapor Trivial el Jue Ene 12, 2006 12:59 am

Hay sueño, así­ que mañana ya ampliaré la información, aunque si queréis hacerlo vosotros, no os corteis ehh XD

A ver, desde aire, las que todo el mundo conoce y que habeis respondido son:

Mediante un hidroavión transportado en un submarino (el de la foto).

Mediante globos cargados de bombas que ascendí­a y eran transportados en dirección a EEUU mediante las corrientes de aire. Cuando el mecanismo estimaba que estaban allí­, soltaba las bombas.


Los agraciados, todos con 100 puntos al haber respondido antes de la pista son:

Kopelson
Alfavega
Hartmann
Gus
Struecker
Kaesar
Mig23



El hilo queda abierto para comentar lo que querais respecto al tema
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Notapor montgomery el Jue Ene 12, 2006 2:47 pm

Ehhh Duffman, digo Trivial, yo dije bombardeo con el cañón del submarino, primero el proyectil sube y después baja.... evidentemente es un ataque aereo :lol: :lol: :P
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Notapor alfavega el Vie Ene 13, 2006 4:59 pm

montgomery escribió:Ehhh Duffman, digo Trivial, yo dije bombardeo con el cañón del submarino, primero el proyectil sube y después baja.... evidentemente es un ataque aereo :lol: :lol: :P


no vale la peli "1941" como fuente historica :P
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Notapor montgomery el Dom Ene 15, 2006 11:14 pm

joooooo!

eso de los globos en subs lo habia oido pero para vigilancia antiaerea al comienzo de la guerra ante la ausencia de radares. No tení­a ni idea de como era eso ¿alguien me lo puede postear?
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Notapor Duffman el Dom Ene 15, 2006 11:28 pm

Ops, no vi tu 1ª respuesta.

Lo que se llevaba en los subs era un hidroavión con bombas incendiarias.

Los globos salian desde japón.

Ya lancé la indirecta de que la explicación la ponga otro, pero ni puñetero caso.

Bueno, si mañana me aburro más de la cuenta en el trabajo, a lo mejor hago algo XD

Ah por cierto, ya que mencionais 1941, mirad la página de error de la web que puse :P


http://portierramaryaire.com/sdmkf
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Notapor alfavega el Lun Ene 16, 2006 12:09 pm

Operacion Fu-Go. Ataque con globos portando bombas incendiarias.

You may find this very hard to believe, but the first intercontinental bombing mission was actually conceived and successfully targeted at the continental United States. Over one thousand of these devices hit the North American continent.

Now take a trip back through your memory banks. Think about everything that you ever learned about World War II. Are you able to place this series of attacks?

Could it be Japanese kamikazes? No - they attacked American ships, never the continent. The Japanese had a similar kamikaze submarine program, called the Kaitan, that actually caused damage to the U. S. coast at the time, but this would never qualify as an intercontinental attack.

Perhaps it was the Germans? No, they never touched us, either.

Actually, what we're talking about here is the Japanese Fu-Go program (just in case you missed the title at the top of the page). The Fu-Go plan was actually one of the most mysterious and unique military bombing assaults ever to occur.

You see, the Japanese quickly realized during WWII that the American continent was just too far out of reach and remained unaffected by the ravages of the great war. Their solution was to construct paper balloons that would cross the Pacific and bomb the United States.

Now, I must admit that when I first heard about this story I was a thrown off a bit. I have always associated Japan and balloons with origami. You know - those little folded paper balloons that you made in elementary school. I just could not conceive how anyone could create a tiny paper balloon and expect it to cross the mighty Pacific and harm the United States.

Boy was I wrong!

These tiny paper balloons that I had imagined actually measured 32 feet in diameter and were filled with hydrogen gas. Each balloon was crafted from laminated mulberry parchment paper and held together with a persimmon glue.

These balloons were designed to rise to a height between 32,000 and 38,000 feet and stay aloft for some 65 to 70 hours. At this height, they would be carried by the jet stream (which was unknown to the rest of the world at the time) at a speed of 100 to 200 mph to the United States.

The design was actually quite ingenious. Each balloon carried five or six incendiary bombs and one conventional bomb. They were equipped with up to 30 six pound sandbags for ballast. These sandbags were released one at a time by an aneroid barometer trigger each time the balloon dipped below 30,000 feet. Once the last sandbag was released, the designers figured that the balloon would be over the U.S. and an onboard battery lit a series of fuses to release the bombs. Finally, a demolition charge was set off to destroy any evidence of the balloon's existence.

Well, in theory that's how they were supposed to work. Reality was another story.

The first balloons were actually released in June of 1944 and were of an older design than those described above. Two hundred balloons were released and not a single one actually made it across the Pacific.

The Japanese were forced to go back to the drawing board. A new version of the balloon was completed in October of 1944. The Japanese had actually planned for 15,000 balloons to be built, but in the end, 10,000 were actually constructed and 9,300 launched.

The United States was not exactly caught off guard. U.S. intelligence had learned that there was a threat and placed the military on alert.

Within two weeks, fragments of a balloon were found in Montana. A balloon envelope was fished from the sea. For the next month, bits and pieces started to appear and scientists were able to construct a rudimentary picture of what the weapon looked like. Most amazingly, it was the sand used for ballast that yielded the best clue - scientists were able to trace the sand back to the Japanese island of Honshu.

One balloon was actually spotted flying off the coast of California. The Air Force was able to intercept it and steer it to the ground very easily with the wash of its impeller.

The United States government quickly determined that the balloons posed little danger. The balloons simply could not carry enough high explosives to cause any serious damage. They were actually more concerned that these balloons could carry biological agents such as the plague or anthrax and infect major portions of the continent.

The U.S. government realized that they needed to keep a lid on this story. If word leaked out that the continent was being bombed, the Japanese would just send more. Surprisingly, the media cooperated and the Japanese never learned that a single balloon reached the continent until after the war ended (neither did American citizens - these balloons were responsible for an extremely large number of UFO sightings). The Japanese high command assumed that the balloons were not reaching the United States and they shut down the program in April of 1945.

So, how much damage did these bombs cause?

Actually very little. The Japanese had the impression that the west coast of the United States consisted of vast forests. They believed that if they could start forest fires, they could instill panic on the American people. But, the Japanese made a major blunder - almost all of the balloons were sent during the winter and the rainy season when nothing would burn easily.

Sadly, on May 5, 1945, six people were killed by one of the Fu-Go bombs. It appears that a preacher and his wife decided to take a group of children on a Sunday picnic on Gearhart Mountain near Bly, Oregon. While Reverend Archie Mitchell was parking the car, one of the children stumbled across a metallic object. When the kids tried to move it, there was an explosion. Elsie Mitchell and five children aged 11 - 13 were killed. These were the only deaths on the mainland United States during World War II.

To add a strange twist to this story, another balloon managed to knock out power to the Hanford Engineering Works in eastern Washington state. This caused a temporary short circuit in the lines to their nuclear reactor cooling pumps where they were cranking out uranium slugs for the Nagasaki atomic bomb. Backup devices kicked in, but production at the plant was set back for three days and caused a slight delay to the Manhattan Project. Just think of the nuclear disaster that would have occurred if the cooling system had totally failed (remember Chernobyl?).

It is estimated that approximately 1,000 Fu-Go balloons made it to the North American continent, while only 285 were actually discovered. The balloons were found as far north as Alaska and as far south as Mexico. While most of the balloon sightings were concentrated near the Pacific Coast, two balloons found their way to the state of Michigan.

Obviously, the Fu-Go program was not a great success. Yet, if the balloons had been launched during one of those hot, dry California summers, they could have caused major damage. Even worse, the Japanese could have used them to deliver biological or chemical agents (they chose not to because they were afraid that the U.S. would retaliate in the same fashion).

Maybe we should stop spending billions of dollars to create just one single fighter plane and look into some cheaper alternatives. Just think - we could replace our atomic weapons with billions of gas filled balloons! They wouldn't have to do very much - just the shear numbers of them could be a threat.


http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm

http://www.project1947.com/gfb/fugolinks.htm

Sobre el ataque desde hidroavion basado en submarino

http://history1900s.about.com/library/p ... ombwc1.htm
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