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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Mié May 30, 2012 3:07 pm

¿Recordáis que Alemania mandó ocho Tifones al Red Flag Alaska y Distant Frontier de este año? Aquí está el portal que le ha dedicado la Luftwaffe. Estarán allí desde el 21 de mayo hasta el 22 de Junio: http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwa ... 5ASaSeno!/
A ver si nos van contando qué tal les va.

Lo mejor, el enlace que dedican a fotos del despliegue (a ver si nos las ponen a alta calidad): http://www.luftwaffe.de/portal/a/luftwa ... PeDs3zQ!!/

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor eco_oscar el Mié May 30, 2012 4:24 pm

¿Álguien sabe algo de una declaración de emergencia en vuelo de un Ef (de los llanos) que ha tenido que tomar de emergencia en Moron? Es por saber que todo halla salido bien.... :lol:
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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor eco_oscar el Jue May 31, 2012 6:12 pm

eco_oscar escribió:¿Álguien sabe algo de una declaración de emergencia en vuelo de un Ef (de los llanos) que ha tenido que tomar de emergencia en Moron? Es por saber que todo halla salido bien.... :lol:
Saludos.


Bueno pues al final me respondo yo, no pasó nada...De hecho hoy a las 19:00 ya ha estadado de vuelta el mismo piloto que declaro la emergencia como dardo 36 ahora como 35.

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Jue May 31, 2012 6:49 pm

Menos mal. Gracias por la info.
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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Dom Jun 03, 2012 12:05 pm

El forista EELightning ha afirmado esto en Keypublishing respecto al ejercicio Frisian Flag de este año (ya citado aquí) donde participaban Tifones ingleses y alemanes (junto con F-16 de varias naciones, Gripen, F-15, F-18), y donde al parecer se portaron genial. Al menos a los ingleses se les asignaron tareas swingrole (AA y AS simultáneas), con configuraciones simulando las usadas en Libia (4 bombas de 1.000 lb, 6 AAMs, cañón y dos depos). Los Comandantes de Misión ponían a los Tifones por delante en los paquetes (COMAO) para que fueran barriendo el cielo de enemigos y luego atacar. En una ocasión, una escuadrilla de 4 Tifones de la RAF reclamó entre 4 y 6 derribos por avión en 4 minutos (unos 20 cazas enemigos en 4 minutos!) A pesar de estar superados en número salieron indemnes:
Frisian Flag ’12, which involved; Swedish Gripens, American F-15Cs, Dutch, Norwegian & Belgian F-16s, Finnish F-18Cs, German and British No. 3(F) Squadron Typhoons. Concerning the RAF Typhoon fleet, at least, they were tasked to perform multi-role sorties while facing an A/A threat with the same weapons configuration (simulated) they operated with over Libya – 4x EPWII, 6x A/A missiles, 2x drop tanks. Mission Commanders generally put them out front to sweep the airspace or if they wanted a lot of weapons to be carried a long way. On one occasion a four ship RAF Typhoon fleet claimed between four and six kills each and within four minutes destroyed in excess of 20 aircraft. So, they were significantly outnumbered on that occasion yet they got out unharmed.

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor eco_oscar el Mar Jun 05, 2012 10:32 pm

Pues por hardvarcete están operando también unos cuantos de "dolares" de Morón....Leí que a primeros de Junio de 2012 trasladaban temporalmente parte de su operatoria a Albacete por algún motivo supongo que de mejora de infraestructura en Morón (no sé si arreglo de pista).
Lo cierto es que están operando varios "dolar" con varios "dardo".

P.D: por cierto el 18 de junio del presente se cumplen los 37 años de la llegada de los primeros C14. ¿será esta la fecha elegida para la presentación de los nuevos C16 con numeral de unidad del Ala14?
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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Jue Jun 07, 2012 4:44 pm

Artículo que habla sobre lección aprendida por Eurofighter con perder el MMRCA. Resumido: Dice que están aprendiendo la lección y que acelerarán las cosas. La industria querría más implicación por parte de los gobiernos para acelerar desarrollo y fijar calendarios de mejoras. Que el Typhoon es fundamentalmente un caza multirol muy capaz, pero que la calma por parte de los gobiernos a la hora de meterle panoplia AS ha afectado a su imagen. Que de cara a exportación estaría mejor con un AESA contratado y en producción en serie y con calendarios más cercanos para integración de armamento, especialmente el Meteor. Bromea con que si hubieran sido los ingleses quienes hubieran ofrecido el Typhoon a India en lugar de los alemanes, puede que ni siquiera hubiese llegado a estar entre los dos finalistas.
Se esperan noticias sobre avance en el AESA en las próximas semanas.

Process, Price and Commitment
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2012 ... y=nav|head
Typhoon’s Export Failures Have Lessons for Eurofighter
Jun. 6, 2012

LONDON — Beaten in one of the biggest combat jet export competitions of the decade [MMRCA indio], the Eurofighter nations have been looking urgently to use the lessons from the Typhoon aircraft’s big-ticket failure in India to improve the way future campaigns are mounted, industry executives said.
...

Douglas Barrie, the senior air analyst at the International Institute of Strategic Studies here, said the industrial management construct of Typhoon had always been suboptimal.

“From the outset of the program there has been an inevitable tension between the national industries and the umbrella organization [Eurofighter],” Barrie said. “The Typhoon is fundamentally a highly capable multirole combat aircraft; however, the pace of integration of air-to-surface weapons has been slow, and this has adversely affected how the aircraft is perceived.”
...

Giving EADS Germany the lead for India generated some criticism in the U.K. Whether it was a good decision is a matter of debate.

One executive here only half-jokingly said the Typhoon wouldn’t even have made the shortlist had the British been in charge of the bid.
...

“Eurofighter’s company structure definitely didn’t help in creating a clear roadmap for the AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar, which was essential for the India competition, but the biggest problem for Typhoon is its price tag, which puts it in a very small and very elite market segment,” said Richard Aboulafia, air analyst at the Teal Group, Fairfax, Va.
...

Given the history of Indian procurement, that’s not necessarily a slam dunk for the French. The Typhoon nations remain in the wings, hoping Dassault can’t deliver on its promise, possibly allowing them to submit a revised offer.

Price may not have been the only issue for India, though. Firmer commitments by the British to key technology updates like the AESA radar would also have helped, according to Burridge.

“What would have made a difference would have been a U.K.-defined development path for the aircraft,” he said. “In other words, E-Scan [AESA] radar on contract, into series production, and the weapons system integrated on an earlier time scale, particularly Meteor [beyond-visual-range, air-to-air missile].
...

“Final decisions will be taken when required and not before,” he said. “The integration of Paveway IV [precision guided bomb] is currently underway, and we are working with the other Typhoon partner nations towards an agreement on Meteor. The integration of AESA radar continues to be assessed by the MoD.”

“I’m never comfortable until I have a contract, but I think the light bulb is coming on,” Burridge said.

Things look like they are moving on the radar front. Progress on the radar effort, led by Finmeccanica subsidiary Selex Galileo, is expected within weeks.

Eurofighter and NETMA, the four governments’ joint management agency, are in the final stages of agreeing on a formal request for proposals from the nations to industry to target an in-service date to meet potential export customers’ requirements in 2015.

Malaysia, Oman, the United Arab Emirates and a top-up order from Saudi Arabia are among the exports being pursued by Eurofighter across the Middle East and Asia.

Typhoon is also a bidder in South Korea — virtually a lost cause against Lockheed Martin and Boeing, which both offer a potentially winning combination of political clout and stealthy performance.

“It’s down to us to make Typhoon competitive and win as many export orders as we can,” Burridge said (Brian Burridge, vice president for strategic marketing at Finmeccancia UK).

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Vie Jun 08, 2012 3:09 pm

:arrow: Fotos de Tifones alemanes equipados con pod ACMI despegando en Red Flag (clicad en las imágenes para agrandarlas):
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?imag ... sonafb.jpg
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?imag ... onafb1.jpg

:arrow: Los surcoreanos evaluarán el Typhoon en Septiembre... en Europa. Se supone que en España, que para eso somos el país promotor del Eurofighter en el concurso coreano. El F-35 en Junio/Julio y el F-15SE en Agosto en EEUU.
Los coreanos están pendientes de cómo les dejarán evaluar el F-35 (hay posibilidad de que sólo en simulador, algo que no gusta) y del F-15SE, dado que aún no existe, sólo podrían evaluar versiones parcialmente "parcheadas" de F-15 antiguos (lo que tampoco les convence):
Controversy erupts over simulation test of F-35 in fighter jet purchase
SEOUL, June 7 (Yonhap)

On-site performance tests will be held in June for the F-35, in August for the F-15 SE and in September for the Eurofighter, according to officials at the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), South Korea's state arms procurement agency, on Thursday.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nationa ... 0315F.HTML

Korean Air Force to test candidate fighters via simulators
JUNE 08, 2012

The state-run agency said it will conduct on-site performance tests on Lockheed Martin’s F-35 and Boeing’s F15SE in the U.S. in July and August this year. Tests on the EADS Eurofighter in Europe will come in September.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.ph ... 2060819728

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Spano el Vie Jun 08, 2012 10:44 pm

Buenas, que tal?.

Primero quería felicitarte Orel por todos los artículos que expusiste algunas paginas mas atrás ( bueno en general por la mayoría de ellos ) pero en especial con el tema del Eurofighter y Rafale, aun así habrá gente que no querrá admitir la verdad :wink:.

Y sobre el EFA ya lo dije alguna vez, que en Asia poco tiene que hacer lo europeo ya sea militar o civil, no al menos hasta que Europa decida de una vez por todas que quiere ser en el mundo y actuar con una sola voz y bandera ante el mundo.



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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Sab Jun 09, 2012 12:00 pm

Gracias Spano. Conste que mi intención no es dejar mal al Rafale, ni mucho menos. Es un gran caza y me alegra que ambos sean compañeros europeos. Sólo pretendo defender las ventajas que tiene el Typhoon respecto al de Dassault y, desde luego, corregir errores e injusticias.
Tengo pendiente otra "entrega" de fuentes en que se comentan cosas positivas del Typhoon en general, no respecto al Rafale. Todo de este foro.

Y sobre el EFA ya lo dije alguna vez, que en Asia poco tiene que hacer lo europeo ya sea militar o civil,

No soy conocedor del tema, pero de lo poco que sé, p.ej. en cuanto a cazas Francia y RU le vendieron a la India Mirage 2000 y Harrier, también Mirage 2000 a Taiwán y Tailandia ha comprado Gripen.
CASA tiene de largo relación con Indonesia y otros varios países de la zona con sus C-212 y CN-235. Airbus está metiéndose fuerte en China, país que de largo tiene una gran relación con los helos europeos (SuperFrelon, Gazelle, Dauphin...). Francia tiene ahora tratos para desarrollarle a India centrales nucleares (tema civil). Actualmente un montón de empresas civiles europeas están en Asia por temas de ingeniería, construcción de infraestructuras, centrales energéticas, etc.
Y así muchos otros ejemplos de que sí tenemos qué hacer por allí :wink:
Desde luego, no debe renunciarse a presentarse a Japón (como hizo el Typhoon), ni a contratos como Malasia (están EFA, Gripen y Rafale) o Corea del Sur (sí, el Tiffie lo tiene muy jodido allí, pero al menos que caten lo bueno cej1 )

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Spano el Dom Jun 10, 2012 12:32 am

Bueno quería puntualizar Corea y Japón en referencia Asia ya que personal mente siempre me a chocado colocar a Rusia o a la India por ejemplo con la misma "Asia" que Corea o Japón de ahí al fallo en la puntualización...


Desconozco como van las cosas en la India, Taiwán, Tailandia o Indonesia o por lo menos de como van en Corea y Japón, ya que estos dos son dos países que conozco mas o menos ( digo mas o menos por que son culturas que puedes pasarte toda la vida aprendiendo de ellas y morirte de viejo sin a ver visto todo sobre ellas ), y he podido visitarlos. Puedo asegurar cuando afirmo que en ambos países no hay una percepción ni mucho menos de una Europa como la que podamos tener en España o la que puedan tener en Alemania, allí tienen mucha mucha influencia sobre todo en Japón de los EE.UU de ahí a lo que os comentaba sobre los productos europeos no tendrán suficiente empuje, hasta que no ve an en sus mares algunas Task Forcé con la bandera de la unión, solo entonces los productos europeos en este caso el Eurofighter podrán competir con los de EE.UU, ya que con cada compra se aseguran un "plus" de protección o por lo menos así lo veo yo...




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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor champi el Dom Jun 10, 2012 8:12 am

Orel escribió:Los coreanos están pendientes de cómo les dejarán evaluar el F-35 (hay posibilidad de que sólo en simulador, algo que no aceptan) y del F-15SE, dado que aún no existe, sólo podrían evaluar versiones parcialmente "parcheadas" de F-15 antiguos (lo que tampoco les convence)

Lo cierto es que tampoco podrán probar la versión con AESA que supongo que es la que quieren. Así que las cosas están en tablas... o no. Y es que han dicho que quieren un furtivo 8)
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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Dom Jun 10, 2012 11:27 am

OK Spano :wink:

Lo cierto es que tampoco podrán probar la versión con AESA que supongo que es la que quieren. Así que las cosas están en tablas... o no. Y es que han dicho que quieren un furtivo

Por eso digo que el Tiffie lo tiene jorobado (aparte de no ser yanqui). Y el F-15SE aunque sea yanqui también, porque con las medidas aplicadas lo que lograría realmente (porque no existe) es semejanza con RCS tipo Rafale, Tiffie o SuperHornet, es decir, no es furtivo.

Sobre lo que citas, no diría yo que están en tablas porque si al final sucediera lo peor para ellos (probar el F-35 en simulador y un parcheado de F-15 antiguo), de los tres cazas el que evaluarían con más "realismo" y más semejante a lo ofertado, aún sin AESA, sería el Typhoon, de largo :mrgreen: .
Yo creo que sí volarán el -35.
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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Dom Jun 10, 2012 4:22 pm

Hala, primera parte de recopilación de citas positivas sobre el Typhoon, sacadas de este foro y más o menos organizadas cronológicamente (mega-tocho, jaja):

:arrow: 1) Opiniones de pilotos de la RAF y del periodista que voló en un Tiffie, de abril de 2006:
Why fighter pilots wear a Typhoon Grin
01 Apr 2006 by Thomas Harding

For the first 700ft of take-off, the comparison seems apt, but then 40,000lb of rear thrust put the aircraft into a vertical ascent that feels like being in the Space Shuttle and we soar from Earth to 12,000ft in four seconds flat.

For manoeuvrability there is no aircraft in the world quite like it

The heavy payload will not affect performance, the pilots say

"In terms of capability, Typhoon is a quantum leap over anything we have ever had," said Wg Cdr Al Mackay, who commands 29 Squadron in charge of training the fighter pilots.

"It's in a different league to anything we have ever had before." The Typhoon can travel at more than twice the speed of sound, it can fly at 65,000ft and it accelerates very, very fast.
But its major strength is its manoeuvrability - it can twist, turn and evade like nothing else on the market.

It is extraordinarily easy to fly, even at the hands of a novice. The point is, it frees the pilot for combat and other tasks.

Wg Cdr Bennett demonstrates the immense flexibility by turning 180 degrees within a 1,000ft radius at 500mph, 250ft above the ground.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -Grin.html

Y otro que voló en febrero de 2007:
Eurofighter Typhoon special: Storm force training / Craig Hoyle / 24 Apr 2007
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ng-213442/

Y añado mío: el 15 de mayo de 2005, en las puertas abiertas en Matacán (Salamanca) hubo exhibición estática y en vuelo de Tifón españoles. Tuve la suerte de entrevistar a uno de sus pilotos. A pesar de tener aún sólo Tranche 1 Bloque 1 y empezando con el Bloque 2 (muy inmaduros), decía que era una bestia parda, superior a lo conocido.

:arrow: 2) Video del EFA en verano de 2006 maniobrando cargado con 6 bombas de 1000 lb, 4 AMRAAM, 2 ASRAAM y un depósito de 1000 l ventral en el festival Farnborough International Airshow de 2006. Eso sí­ que es carga pesada y pese a eso el "bicho" se "mueve" muy bien, como ningún otro caza existente:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxB7lB5- ... re=related

:arrow: 3) Artículo de 2006 sobre el Tiffie:
In service, Typhoon has proved to be a revelation, offering unmatched performance and agility, and demonstrating better sensor and weapons system performance than anyone dared hope, "out of the box".

Former BAE Typhoon project pilot Craig Penrice described the "edge" enjoyed by Typhoon by comparing it with other aircraft he had flown. “I have often been asked how the Typhoon rates amongst the world's fighters. I have been lucky enough to have flown operationally in the Lightning and F-15, and have had experience in the F-14, F-16, F-18, Tornado and MiG-29 '' as well as nearly eight years of involvement in the Typhoon programme. Everybody holds up the Eagle as the example of what a fighter should be. When I was introduced to the F-15 it represented a quantum leap forward from my beloved Lightning, but the quantum leap I experienced going from Lightning to Eagle was repeated when I begun my involvement with Typhoon.

Nor will Typhoon just be a great air combat fighter. Through all of its customers placed their primary emphasis on getting the aircraft into service in the air-to-air role, the aircraft was designed from the start to be a swing-role fighter '' a multi-role aeroplane capable of switching from air-to-ground to air-to-air operation (and back again) during the course of a single sortie. The aircraft has always been a versatile, deployable, multi-role aircraft, and not the narrow, Cold War interceptor and air defence aircraft that it has sometimes been painted as.

“When you release the brakes and select maximum reheat the acceleration is almost frightening, reaching 30 knots per second” former Typhoon test pilot Craig Penrice claimed. “The five-second take-off roll gives a breathtakingly short take-off run, and the aircraft is normally airborne in under 1,300 ft (396 m). Once you are off the ground the acceleration continues undiminished. Keeping the "burners" lit you reach 450 knots (833 km/h) before the end of the runway, pull the stick back and you find yourself at 40,000 ft (12192 m) in less than a minute.

“Focus Aircraft '' Eurofighter Typhoon”by Jon Lake, pags 44-75, International Air Power Review Volume 20, AIRtime Publishing 2006

:arrow: 4) En 2005, dos Tifones de la RAF se desplegaron a EEUU para pruebas y aprovecharon para volar contra F-22. Demostraron paridad en WVR con el Raptor; una vez lograron blocaje radar a gran distancia del caza furtivo (confirmado en http://www.airspacemag.com/military-avi ... c=y&page=1); y una vez detectaron al Raptor gracias al DASS: [también con el PIRATE en 2010]
More recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the US for OEU trials work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have performed better than was expected. There was little surprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate the Within Visual Range fight, but the aircraft did cause a surprise by getting a radar lock on the F-22 at a surprisingly long range. The F-22s reportedly cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day's scheduled two versus two BVR engagement was cancelled, and “the USAF decided that they didn't want to play anymore". When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the conversation on security grounds.

“Focus Aircraft '' Eurofighter Typhoon”by Jon Lake, pags 44-75, International Air Power Review Volume 20, AIRtime Publishing 2006

The original article resulted in several letters of response about Typhoon versus the F-22. This cannot be confirmed or admitted officially, but during Typhoon's visit to the USA in 2005, both aircraft were pitted against each other (unofficially, you understand). The F-22 could not be seen by the Typhoon pilot, but his electronic counter measures showed him that it was being "painted" by his opponent. The Typhoon took appropriate "measures" using self-defensive aids. But when it came to one-on-one combat, the Typhoon did the same kind of job as it did with the Sukhois. The F-22s could not "handle" Typhoon close in and the Yanks were shocked!

It did not all go Typhoon's way on this occasion but it was a sobering encounter for the Americans. Remember, on the F-22 much was sacrificed in terms of "fighter performance" for stealth.

The first part of this letter, regarding the Sukhois, I have from first-hand experience, through the second part - about the F-22s - has come to me through the Typhoon grapevine. Fascinating, isn't it? The Typhoon does appear to be a truly formidable machine - a machine feared by "other" operators.

Feedback, Air Forces Monthly January 2008

:arrow: 5) Comentario surgido tras unas maniobras conjuntas de Tifones ingleses y españoles aquí en abril de 2007:
Maniobras conjuntas en Moron de los Eurofigther, ingleses y españoles.
Muy interesantes los comentarios del Coronel Ingles:

"El coronel prefirió no entrar a realizar comparaciones sobre cazas de primer nivel como el F22 Raptor y el F15, aunque sí­ bromeó asegurando que el Eurofighter les dejarí­a a ambas aeronaves en una situación "embarazosa". Con respecto a la adaptación de los pilotos de F18 y Mirage F1 que llegan a pilotar Eurofighter aseguró que todos ellos se adaptan "perfectamente" al nuevo caza español".

http://sevilla.abc.es/20070420/sevilla- ... 01904.html

:arrow: 6) En 2007, un comandante de la RAF decía esto:
Los Typhoon en alerta en el RU tienen como lí­mite para despegar unos 4 minutos desde la alarma, y esperan reducir aun más ese tiempo.
El comandante del 3(F) escuadrón, Comandante de Ala Lol Bennett, destaca que "el hecho de que [el Typhoon] pueda volar en toda la envolvente con dos depósitos [de 1.000 l] y ocho misiles [4 AMRAAM y 4 ASRAAM] sin merma de las prestaciones, nos da una ventaja clave."

:arrow: 7) En julio de 2007 unos Su-30MKI indios fueron a RU para el ejercicio Indradhanush y se enfrentaron a Typhoon. Dos fuentes al respecto (ver también punto 34):
The operational part of the 'Exercise Indradhanush-2007' began with a series of 1 vs 1 air combat sorties… The RAF pilots were candid in their admission of the Su-30 MKI's observed superior manouevring in the air, just as they had studied, prepared and anticipated. [emphasis DID's] The IAF pilots on their part were also visibly impressed by the Typhoon's agility in the air.
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At short missile ranges... the Su-30MKI's superior maneuverability would have to contend with UK Typhoon flight profiles enabled by ASRAAM's longer range and lock-on after launch capability.
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In longer-range combat situations, however, issues of detection and reach would also come into play. The Eurofighter is smaller, and is generally agreed to have more "shaping" than the Su-30 to reduce its radar profile
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Meteor ramjet BVRAAM missile is explicitly designed to kill from longer range than the Russian AA-12/R-77.
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the Su-30 currently lacks that capability [supercruise] until and unless plans for an uprated engine come to fruition.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/typ ... ise-03470/

“Eurofighter Slays'Em!

I remember reading around two years ago [2006] about the prowess of Eurofighter over other aircraft. Well, this anecdote will probably "get out" one day and concerns the visit to these shores in July of Indian Air Force Su-30s. The MoD said that it would not be putting Typhoons up against them as a one-on-one fight. This is general knowledge. However - it did happen and there is Head Up Display video to prove it. I don't know how it came about - probably during some exercise.

Anyway, two relatively inexperienced Typhoon pilots returned with big grins on their faces. The Sukhois were "toasted". All the Su-30's air display antics came to nought - the Typhoons proved too nimble and too powerful for the Russian aircraft. The Typhoons were not "clean" either. You can check with the MoD, but you probably already know the kind of answer you'll get! (We did, and they wouldn't - Editor).

Feedback, Air Forces Monthly January 2008

:arrow: 8 ) Varios párrafos sueltos sobre los retornos que ha supuesto el Typhoon para España (y eso que somos el socio minoritario), de la revista oficial del EdA, Revista de Aeronaútica y Astronaútica de Diciembre de 2007 nº 769:
Puede decirse sin temor a exagerar que el programa Eurofighter ha sido uno de los principales motores del sector aeroespacial en España.

El programa Eurofighter no sólo ha sido catalizador esencial en la integración de la industria aeronáutica europea, sino un referente dentro de los Programas de Investigación y Desarrollo, por el retorno económico e industrial de las importantes inversiones realizadas. Ha sido el promotor de empresas nuevas e innovadoras como ITP (Industria de Turbo Propulsores, S.A.), CESA (Compañí­a Española de Sistemas Aeronáuticos, S.A.) o la de electrónica Tecnobit, ha sido también regenerador de empresas como INDRA, Espelsa, Gamesa o el propio INTA como Instituto Tecnológico Oficial, que actualmente compiten sin complejos en los proyectos más ambiciosos de colaboración europea.

La industria española ha participado en el diseño, desarrollo y producción del sistema de armas.
Si bien esta participación es limitada, en lí­nea con el número de plataformas adquiridas (el 13% del total), está muy por encima de situaciones anteriores, en las que se adquirí­a un sistema de armas totalmente desarrollado y en servicio en otras Fuerzas Aéreas, y facilita adquirir conocimientos en áreas que no son responsabilidad de EADS''CASA o ITP.

Otras industrias españolas han participado en el programa como subcontratistas, ampliando la base de ingenierí­a existente.
La participación de la industria española en el diseño y la producción del EF2000 ha permitido ampliar la capacidad de la ingenierí­a nacional.

LA PARTICIPACIÓN ESPAÑOLA EN NETMA (NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency)
Frente a la falta de experiencia de los que participamos en los primeros años en la gestión internacional del programa, hoy el Ejército del Aire disponga de un contingente de oficiales y suboficiales con acreditada experiencia en la gestión de programas internacionales.
Claro beneficio, no siempre considerado, obtenido en un campo tan sensible y estratégico como el de la formación de personal en diferentes áreas del conocimiento operativo, técnico, logí­stico, contractual y presupuestario de programas complejos en entornos internacionales.

El EF2000 se basa en una concepción de aviónica avanzada que le permitirá adaptarse fácilmente a las nuevas tecnologí­as emergentes. El potencial de crecimiento ha sido una parte importante de su diseño y recuperado en cada una de las actualizaciones que ha sufrido el avión.
No existen más barreras tecnológicas en este avión, que las que imponen las restricciones presupuestarias.

El hecho de que tres de las cuatro naciones aliadas más cercanas a nosotros, estén dotadas del mismo sistema de armas fomenta la cooperación y facilita la convergencia de esfuerzos en operaciones combinadas.

Actualmente, lejos de alcanzar la madurez de diseño y horas que tiene un F''18, sus destacamentos requieren una capacidad de transporte similar o inferior a éste.
En el EF2000 los requisitos de mantenibilidad (on condition), y la mayor fiabilidad de sus componentes (un factor teórico de 9 h avión/hombre, la mitad que un F''18) le hacen un fuerte candidato para operar fuera de sus bases. La RAF ha conseguido consolidar en sus destacamentos en prácticas, un promedio de cuatro salidas por avión dí­a, muy lejos de las expectativas de un Tornado y también por encima de un F''18.

http://www.portalcultura.mde.es/Galeria ... 9_2007.pdf

:arrow: 9 ) En mayo de 2008, Tifones asistieron al ejercicio Spring Flag en Italia, en total participaron 75 aviones de Italia, EEUU, Alemania, Reino Unido, Francia, Grecia, Turquí­a y España:
The Eurofighter Typhoons performed remarkably well, building on the successes of recent deployments to the United Kingdom, Belgium and Spain, and demonstrating how the aircraft, although still making its first forays into frontline service, already combines excellent operational reliability with a logistics support capability to maintain the aircraft even in the most complex scenarios.

http://www.aviationnews.eu/2008/04/23/e ... flag-2008/

:arrow: 10) Sobre el ejercicio "Green Flag" (y antes el Torpedo Focus) que tuvo lugar en la base de Nellis en Nevada (EEUU) en Junio de 2008, en el que participaron Typhoons de la RAF, demostrando su capacidad multirol. En dos semanas lanzaron 43 Paveway II, 8 Enhanced Paveway II y 16 bombas tontas de 1.000 lb (y 700 cartuchos de cañón en tiro AS). Sobre dicho ejercicio:
Weapons accuracy at Davis-Monthan was high, with 100% of released stores landing within their circular error of probability distance, and 65% scoring direct hits on their targets.

Wing Commander Gavin Parker, Officer Commanding XI Squadron, said:
"It has been an outstanding success. The aircraft loved the hot and dry conditions. It achieved a 99.3 per cent strike rate at Davis Monthan, which means we achieved 99.3 per cent serviceability. We only lost two sorties, one due to high wind when no-one flew, and the other to a technical failure - again, unprecedented in my knowledge and experience."

http://www.raf.mod.uk/newsweather/index ... 0B7BEB15D2
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... af-224826/
http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/we ... 2-2008.pdf

:arrow: 11) En verano de 2008, Tifones se enfrentaron a F-16 Viper griegos en un ejercicio ELITE. Opiniones de pilotos griegos:
The DACT (Dissimilar Air Combat manoeuvres) 2vs2 scenarios had to do with 4 sorties of air battle between solely 2 Greek F-16s and 2 German Eurofighters. Given the fact that it was the first time in history that such an air fight took place, we tried to learn from first hand the impressions of 341 Squadron pilots who were engaged in these scenarios.

So, as Captain K. Pazaras (a pilot with more than 1300 flying hours in the F-16s and 3 participations in ELITE) mentioned to HAF characteristically:
“The air battle missions against the Eurofighter were a very positive experience for us. We had to face a type of aircraft with tremendous manoeuvrability and agility, both in dogfight and low speed, demonstrating an excellent capability of nose authority and, of course, demonstrating the advantages of its two engines increased power. You can understand immediately its difference from relevant engagements with 3rd generation aircraft. In many respects, the Eurofighter is an airplane… to admire in the air battle! Eurofighter brought me about the same feeling when in the past I was flying the A-7 against the F-16!".

On the same line was also the impression of another Greek pilot, Captain G. Mihelis, who stood against the German Eurofighters having more than 1000 hours on the type [F-16]:
“It seems that (the Eurofighter) is an excellent aircraft in air battle. Of course, it is very difficult to face it in a dogfight, while it carries very good radar with long distance detection, releasing it from ground stations or airborne radar support requirements. The above in conjunction with the very good aerodynamic characteristics of Eurofighter, especially in low speed, its overpowered engine that in dry power (without afterburner) allows the fighter to surpass the Mach, constitute an airborne opponent who practically was requiring special effort and abilities from our side in order to face it effectively".

Captain N. Printzios, without questioning the excellent impression made to the Greek pilots in their air fight against the two Eurofighters of Luftwaffe, expressed another parameter of this air fight, as he noted that:
“The relatively limited space we had in ELITE to move both in the horizontal and vertical plane, did not allow us to separate twenty to thirty miles in order to operate better. Consequently, in 1vs1 it is very difficult to face the Eurofighter. However, we have not tried bigger formations, for example 4 vs 2 with possibility to implement certain tactics, thus I cannot prejudge the outcome. In this specific case we have faced for the first time the Eurofighter in dogfight, that was something never happened before…"

Antonis Tsagaratos on exercise ELITE, Germany, July 2008, in the Hellenic Air Force Yearbook 2008

:arrow: 12) Sobre evaluación en Singapur con Tifones aún inmaduros (en 2005) y el Typhoon Meet de 2008 frente a F-18, F-1M, Harrier y F-16. La información sobre Singapur coincide con el punto 31).
In the 2005 Singapore evaluation, the Typhoon won all three combat tests, including one in which a single Typhoon defeated three RSAF F-16s, and reliably completed all planned flight tests. Singapore still went on to buy the F-15 due to uncertainty over Typhoon tranche 2 delivery dates.

During the exercise "Typhoon Meet" held in 2008, Eurofighters flew against F/A-18 Hornets, Mirage F1s, Harriers and F-16s in a mock combat exercise. It is claimed that the Eurofighters won all engagements (even outnumbered 8 vs 27) without suffering losses.

http://www.worldmilitary.co.cc/2009/07/ ... craft.html

:arrow: 13) En febrero de 2009 se escribía esto sobre el Typhoon:
AF Boss Boosts Typhoon
Bill Sweetman 2/13/2009

The F-35B Joint Strike Fighter and the Eurofighter Typhoon will be complementary to one another in Royal Air Force service, with the Typhoon as the "backbone" of the fleet, RAF chief of staff Air Chief Marshal Sir Glenn Torpy said at Aero-India on Thursday.

"What people don't realize about Typhoon is how good it is at high altitude," Torpy said yesterday - after a press conference in which he and senior German, Italian and Spanish air force leaders had appeared to back up Eurofighter's bid to sell Typhoon to India. "Between 40,000 and 55,000 feet, nothing can touch it except an F-22 - that's what makes it so strong in air defense."
Typhoon will therefore be the RAF's leading air-to-air aircraft with a strong strike capability as well.

For the RAF, meanwhile, the F-35 will focus on destroying enemy air defense systems. "Against some of the heavily defended SAM threats, you need that stealthy, maneuvering capability."

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... df6fe81a54

:arrow: 14) Lo siguiente lo escribió Tama (piloto de caza español) en abril de 2009 en el blog Vista Suerte y al Toro (Maclittle). Destaco lo positivo, que es a lo que voy:
EUROFIGHTER EF-2000…DELIVERING!!

On 02/04/2009 by Tama

Cinco años han pasado (2004 a 2009)…y ahora:
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Los Tranche 1 se están todos retrofitando a estándares superiores, y compararlo con los primeros bloques sería…como comparar un seiscientos con el BMW de Little.
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Captor…difícil de describir…que se lo pregunten al Little que lo ha “sufrido” en sus carnes…
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Dos motores que son la envidia internacional, que ya los quisiera el Rafale, el Chengdu J-10, el Superhornet, etc.
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¿Cuáles son las mejores cualidades del Typhoon?

Su aerodinámica, que unida a sus motores EJ-200 y a su lógica de mandos de vuelo, lo hacen ser una auténtica ave de presa por encima de 40.000 pies. Absolutamente impresionantes cualidades de vuelo a dichos niveles con consumos muy reducidos, proporcionando unas performances y una autonomía no vistas hasta la fecha (quitando el Raptor) Este avión es un mechero, despega sin postquemador incluso en configuraciones pesadas con varios tanques de combustible externos y armamento, sube como un cohete, y vira como un culopollo.

Estás exagerando…ya será para menos….

No, no es para menos.

¿Sabéis lo que es subirte a 50.000 pies, ponerte a 1.5 Mach fumándote un puro sabiéndo que el paso a supersónico a tus AMRAAM les sale gratis, que acabas de multiplicar su alcance por un importante factor, que tu “palo” de pegar es más grande que el de nadie en los alrededores, que podrías lanzar un misil, soltarlo con una Pk de muy difícil salida, y darte la vuelta sin que los misiles de los demás te hagan ni cosquillas, para volver a poner distancia de por medio porque sabes exactamente dónde están tus compañeros…perfectamente listos para lanzar otros tantos como el tuyo?

Su radar, el ECR-90 Captor. Sin palabras. Situational Awareness completa el 99% del tiempo, el otro 1% lo cubre el MIDS, o la radio, o el IRST…Y todavía le queda muuuuucha cancha por delante, no ha hecho más que empezar. Los afortunados que lo han volado de “invitados” suelen decir: “Hay que joderse….ahora lo entiendo todo….” ...
El DVI. Algún dia hablaré un poco del Direct Voice Input, que tiene un potencial que creo la gente no acaba de procesar.

http://www.maclittle.es/2009/04/02/euro ... elivering/

:arrow: 15) De Infodefensa en abril de 2009:
Entrevista al Teniente General Juan A. Castillo Masete, jefe del Mando de Apoyo Logístico del Ejército del Aire (MALOG)
29/04/2009 Por A. V. Suárez (Infodefensa.com)
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Éste [el Eurofighter] es el sistema de armas mejor posicionado al disponerse de un conocimiento pleno del mismo, de una amplia capacidad nacional (personal entrenado y recursos de ingenierí­a) y proporcionar, además, puestos de trabajo de alta calificación y valor añadido y retornos fiscales superiores al 40%.

:arrow: 16) Declaración del jefe de la RAF en junio de 2009:
RAF Air Chief Marshal, Sir Glenn Torpy: "There is no other aircraft better than the Typhoon except for a US F22 Raptor and an F22 is significantly more expensive. Typhoon is truly multi-role, it is a world class aeroplane. It is absolute rubbish to call it a cold war relic and that just demonstrates that people do not understand what the aircraft does."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... power.html

:arrow: 17) Sobre el radar ECR-90 Captor, de principios de 2009:
Es el mejor radar de barrido mecánico entre todos los mecánicos en servicio en el mundo.
Tiene una velocidad de escaneo única entre todos los de barrido mecánico por su novedosa base móvil.
La gran potencia de emisión del Captor, unas dos veces mayor que la de los radares competidores, le da al Captor una resistencia muy elevada frente a las Contramedidas Electrónicas (ECM) tanto activas como pasivas, además de, por supuesto, un mayor radio de acción.

http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/EF ... 1-2009.pdf

:arrow: 18 ) Entrevista de junio de 2009 al Sqn Ldr Scott Loughran de la RAF, que es piloto operativo y de exhibición del Typhoon. Opiniones sobre el "bicho":
“It's just awesome” Scott says.

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“It isn't necessary to always operate the aircraft to its limits, during BVR (beyond visual range) sorties for example, but the performance is really impressive during dissimilar air combat training (DACT). If you're flying against another Typhoon you kind of forget that you are turning incredibly hard or that the aircraft has a huge thrust advantage, simply because the aircraft you are fighting against is another Typhoon. Then you then go and employ the same tactics against an F-16 or Mirage and very quickly you are in a position to bring weapons to bear, sometimes you need that comparison to bring it all home.”

“One of my favourite stats from flying the display is that when I push out of my inverted pass the jet is registering minus 1 G, I then roll the aircraft, give her full back-stick and immediately pull to 9 G, the aircraft almost instantaneously transferring 10 G so yes, that is demanding.”

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Typhoon is a true multi-role weapon system with situational awareness and the pilot's capacity to process information stretched to their limits when performing this kind of mission.

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“The aircraft is essentially an easy aircraft to max perform. Regardless of height, speed or power setting I can pull back on the stick and the aircraft will always give me the maximum performance in terms of G or ALPHA (angle of attack). It looks after it all for me.”

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With both variants sitting quietly in front of us we briefly discuss the negligible difference between displaying the single seat jet, designated F.2 (FGR.4 for newer aircraft) and the T.1 (T.3 for newer aircraft) two-seat "twin-sticker"

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“One thing that became very apparent during my work-up was the varying way in which aircraft from different production blocks behave, as the flight control software has been refined and improved upon '' I was gobsmacked! In a jet with the newest version of the software I can be in a max-rate turn at 9G and the jet will still be accelerating despite the extremely tight radius. I have to come out of burner to avoid going over the limit I have for speed during the display, but on one occasion still exited the turn at 510 knots. If I leave the burner in and fly out of the turn in a straight line I'll be supersonic by the end of the runway!”
I recall trying to get my head round the idea of a fast jet accelerating in a 9G turn!!

Scott's work-up was therefore designed to ensure that he was up to speed on all versions of the software, explaining that while the aircraft's limits in terms of G and ALPHA are exactly the same, the new versions do everything that little bit quicker, something it took a little while to adjust to.

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Typhoon is of course an immensely powerful aircraft with it's two Eurojet EJ200 Turbojet engines.
“I obviously want the display to be as tight as possible so I'll only really come out of burner if I don't want to accelerate too much for whatever reason. The best way to counter the aircraft's massive power is by loading it up, by which I mean applying G or ALPHA.

“What I found early-on was that the aircraft doesn't want to slow down if you accelerate in reheat in a straight line. I can gain 30kts per second in reheat and if I cut the power to idle it takes an age to decelerate and it just continues at the same speed, which is remarkable. So what I do for maximum impact on the final pass is start slow and then demonstrate the acceleration down the display-line.”

What exactly does he mean by “slow” I ask?

“About 300 kts at the start of the runway.”

And crowd-centre?

“By then I'm usually at about 550 / 570 kts,”he says. “I start at around 300 partly for impact, as I don't want to have to come out of burner at crowd centre and partly because I do not want to cause a sonic-boom.”

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It has the potential to do so many things as a true multi-role aircraft and while it is designed to tell the pilots what they need to know and when they need to know it, that is still a shed-load of information. Managing that information and having the capacity to deal with it all is the key thing.”

http://www.globalaviationresource.com/r ... ughran.php
http://www.globalaviationresource.com/r ... apupp1.php

:arrow: 19) Del forista martin en el Foro FAS en diciembre de 2009:
El tiffie es un avión con una envolvente de vuelo que ni el Raptor.
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Esta anécdota como es pública se puede contar:
Estaban 3 tifones haciendo la cabra aproximadamente sobre la vertical de Moron entre los 20/30.000 pies (entre 6 y 9 km) y con velocidades alredor de los 400 nudos (unos 700 km/h). Uno de ellos de repente abandona la pelea y pone proa a Malaga, otro le sigue y el tercero, el mas sensato, no les sigue el juego. En apenas unas decenas de millas y todavia en la provincia de Sevilla se ponen a mas de 900 nudos (unos 1.600 km/h, Mach 1,6); Rompen la barrera en la provincia de Sevilla, pero supongo que el sonido se propaga por el tajo Bobadilla-Caminito del Rey-...-Malaga. Sabiendo que han metido la pata empiezan a desacelerar y a subir pasando sobre la vertical de Malaga a unos 55.000 pies (16,5 km) y subiendo .... y paramos la reproducción para no ver mas barbaridades

Y respuesta en este foro, de Eco_Oscar:
Es que un tiffi, nada más meter un empujoncito en la palanca de gases, te dá una pata en el mismisimo trasero que ningún caza salvo el F22 es capaz de darte, de ahí­ que se overchuteen a la más mí­nima.
Estamos hablando de pilotos acostumbrados al F1 y al F18 (aunque este no se queda manco), que están versados en el empujon a los gases y esperar, esperar hasta obtener empuje. En cambio el Tifón es nada más darle y enseguida te plantas en supersónico, quizás por eso las últimas e indeseables (apriori) barreruscas por la zona de Málaga. En cuanto a aceleración como dicen por aquí­ es una auténtica béstia parda

:arrow: 20) Sobre el ejercicio DACT en Canarias del año 2009:
El Ala 11 desplegó por primera vez seis de sus aviones (Eurofighter) [al ejercicio DACT 2009 en canarias] y llevó a cabo el cien por cien de las misiones previstas. Las averí­as fueron solucionadas con ingenio por los mecánicos desplazados.

Respecto a los resultados, a pesar de ser materia clasificada, se demostró las altas cualidades de esta plataforma [el Tifón] en el rol asignado y la ventaja del Data Link

http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/ea/pa ... naActiva=1

De Tayun en el FMG:
Al final [del DACT 2009 en canarias], conclusiones muchas, y el informe que se parirá dentro de otros tres meses será especialmente ámplio. A bote pronto:

- Estados Unidos sí necesita al Raptor.

- El Captor es uno de los mejores equipos del mundo en su clase. Yo diría que el mejor con diferencia, con bastante diferencia, aunque eso ya hace meses que se sabe. No obstante el AESA es la luz a seguir. Y fusión, mucha fusión.

- La perfecta combinación célula aerodinámica/motor del Tifón le permite, en el combate de largo alcance meterle una marcha más a tus misiles, con lo que ello supone a la hora de pegar leña, y cuando hay que salir corriendo, hacerlo de forma segura, rápida y ordenada. Pelear en la lavadora con él es...., en fín, el Eagle es todo PIPPER [el Tifón siempre se puede colocar de manera que puede derribar al Eagle].

:arrow: 21) Y sobre el DACT que tuvo lugar en Canarias al año siguiente, en 2010:
Las excelentes prestaciones del Eurofighter se pusieron de manifiesto, una vez más

En una entrevista tras el ejercicio, el comandante Juan Balesta, jefe del 111 Escuadrón señaló que una pareja de Eurofighter empeñados en un "dogfight" (pelea de perros) contra los F-15 tuvieron el control de la situación en todo momento. Los C-16 "deshicieron" la formación de los ocho F-15 que intervenian como atacantes, "derribando" uno de los Eurofighter a cuatro F-15 mientras que el segundo "destruyó" a otros tres. En el ejercicio los pilotos españoles emplearon los Eurofighter Typhoon a plena la capacidad aprovechando ventajosamente sus enormes prestaciones.

http://www.revistatenea.es/RevistaAtene ... 22_ESP.asp

:arrow: 22) Opiniones de pilotos españoles en medio inglés y sobre el DACT 2010:
Typhoon Over Spain
by Ian Harding, Chris Lofting, and Keith Chilton

2. The experience of Spanish AF's pilot for the flight performance of EF-2000:

"A fighter that is born for flying supersonically ~ even at the height of 10,000ft (3,048 m), flying Typhoon at speeds below Mach 0.9 is not good for the aircraft." [no es que sea malo para el avión, se refiere a que es un purasangre al que correr en supersónico no le cuesta nada ni siquiera a bajas alturas].

"The supersonical tendency of Typhoon causes problem sometimes to slow it down, especially during the flight of high AoA. There is no idle speed."

"Typhoon performs just as well configured with extra wing and centreline fuel tanks plus weapons. The only noticeable difference is the extra 10 kts required for rotation."

3. During a recent international exercise, two Spanish Typhoons had engaged eight F-15s in one stimulated A2A mission, and the two Typhoon scored hits of seven Eagles finally.

AFM (Revista "Air Forces Monthly"), Jan, 2010

:arrow: 23) Dos párrafos. El primero sobre el desempeño del Typhoon en el ejercicio ATLC en Abu Dhabi (EAU) a finales de 2009 y el segundo sobre comparación con cazas de Oriente Medio (potencial mercado del Tiffie):
Throughout the exercise Typhoon was always carrying a greater payload than Rafale, Typhoon always came into the fight above Rafale and Typhoon take off performance was always more stunning than Rafale - all fully as expected.
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The Eurofighter Typhoon has an unmatched capability and performance compared to any other fighter in service in the area [Oriente Medio]: F-15 and F-16 of any version, including the Block 60; MiG-29; Su-27 [nota: cuando citan Mig-29 y Su-27 se refieren a la familia]; F-4 and F-14.

http://www.eurofighter.com/downloads/ef ... 010low.pdf

:arrow: 24) Muchas opiniones de Tayun de finales de 2009 en el FMG (piloto de caza español y de pruebas, ha evaluado F-1, F-18, Eurofighter, Rafale, F-16, F-15, etc.):
[el piloto de Typhoon] pasará a plantearse no solo un nuevo concepto operativo, si no una nueva forma de volar, con unos principios aerodinámicos de energí­a y tempo muy diferentes a los que empleaba con anterioridad.

El Tifón, sin embargo, representa no solo un salto cualitativo, si no un brusco cambio en cuanto a los conceptos operativos

Lo que pretendí­a demostrar es que para lanzar un misil, sea de largo o corto alcance,... el piloto de un Tifón utilizará un procedimiento muy diferente a cuando volaba un Hornet. Conceptos básicos del vuelo, como cambiar velocidad por altura, desaparecen de la mente del piloto, y a eso siempre cuesta acostumbrarse.

.....guste o no, los mismos F18 españoles, que son de los 80 hacen cosas que ningún Typhoon al dí­a de hoy puede hacer.

Por mucho que me duela decirlo, no es cierto. Actualmente, el Tifón puede hacer lo mismo que el Hornet, más rápido, más barato y de forma mucho más eficiente. No me digas que lanzar un Harm o un Harpoon, porque eso supone 30 ó 35 horas de trabajo y unos vuelos de prueba, tras los cuales también lo harí­a de forma más rápida, barata y eficiente.

Esos aviones existen, y ganan concursos que los eurocanards pierden.

Todos los eurocanards no. El Tifón deja admirados a todos sin excepción, cosa que no se puede decir de forma absoluta de los otros dos eurocanards (Rafale y Gripen). Cuando el Tifón ha perdido un concurso ha sido fundamentalmente y de forma objetiva y general por dos condicionantes, el polí­tico y el económico.

Un caso concreto: Korea (Corea). Cuando los coreanos adquirieron el F-15K compraron una bestia parda, un avión soberbio sin duda alguna. Sin embargo quedaron impresionadísimos cuando volaron el Tifón, un avión que por cualidades, rangos y alcances se adaptaba perfectamente al escenario coreano incluso mejor que el Eagle, y eso se demostró con números encima de la mesa. No obstante, y de forma muy lógica dados los particulares condicionantes geopolíticos a que se ven sujetos, adquirieron el avión de Boeing que tampoco es cojo precisamente. El Tifón no perdió por motivos técnicos, unos motivos técnicos que sí impedían a los otros eurocanards seguir en la competición.

Otro caso concreto: Japón (Japon). Aquí juega un nuevo condicionante, la incompetencia de EADS para ofrecer al cliente aquello que demanda, o lo que es lo mismo, saltarse a la torera una ley fundamental del libre comercio diciéndole al cliente qué es lo que necesita. Los japoneses, para sustituir a su F-15CJ quieren el Raptor o el Raptor, aunque aceptarían un Raptor descafeinado si el desarrollo del mismo lo pagan los estadounidenses. Sin embargo, para sustituir a sus F-2 el Tifón les viene al pelo, están locos con sus prestaciones y la capacidad marítima del radar...

Ojo, que le predicas a un converso en el tema de los IRST, y de los que conozco, el PIRATE es con diferencia el mejor.

El Tifón utiliza un sistema de control de vuelo digital.... El FCS controla automáticamente las superficies de control y limita las cargas aerodinámicas que pudiesen sobrepasar los límites estructurales y aerodinámicos, pero a un nivel muy distinto del alcanzado en los Airbus o en el Hornet.

Yo creo que la tecnología la tenemos, porque tenemos los cerebros necesarios para desarrollarla y de hecho, mucha de ella ya es una realidad. El AESA que montará el Tifón es muy superior a los AESA estadounidenses disponibles para sus convencionales, y dejo fuera al F-22 y al F-35 porque no disponemos de datos concretos al respecto, aunque presupongo que no se diferenciará mucho de ellos visto lo visto.
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EADS dispone para el Tifón de AESA, de TVC y de CFT (radar, toberas y depósitos conformados). Y dispone de ellos hoy, ahora. Los japoneses (Japón japon) quieren el Raptor, lo desean, mueren por él, pero nanai. El Tifón les gusta, les gusta mucho, para sustituir al F-4J y al F-2...

AIS (Sistema de Identificación y Ataque). Es en la fusión de datos del AIS donde el Tifón marca una clara diferencia respecto a muchos de sus directos competidores.

Los trajes para vuelo no son accesorio exclusivo de cazas específicos,

En el caso del Tifón sí, se diseñó paralelo al avión.

Sobre el radar ECR-90 captor:
...Este tercer canal independiente del resto de medios ECM/ESM del avión, junto a las elevadísimas velocidades de escaneo y procesado, permite al Captor operar en unos entornos de guerra electromagnética tremendamente densos, donde hasta hace bien poco solo naves muy especializadas en la materia podían penetrar sin necesidad de tocar en las paredes con un bastoncillo blanco.

Asimismo es cierto que el impresionante Software del Captor es fundamental en todos estos procesos de detección, seguimiento, contramedidas y contra-contramedidas electromagnéticas, y de hecho, su especialmente libre arquitectura de diseño permite de manera "bastante sencilla" el reprogramar el procesador de señales de datos para cumplir algunos objetivos específicos dentro de determinadas misiones. Ese es el caso del especial acondicionamiento que se llevó a cabo el pasado año para localizar pequeñas embarcaciones tamaño zodiac en el Báltico, y que tan impresionado dejó a mucha gente, franceses entre ellos, que pensaban que solo mediante un AESA eran posibles ciertas prestaciones muy específicas...

:arrow: 25) De abril de 2010, de respuesta que me dió el blog Vista Suerte y al Toro (maclittle) (blog de pilotos de caza) y de Tayun:
Hay "leches" por ir a Morón [a volar el Typhoon].

Por último, conozco a todos los pilotos que han pasado por Morón, y ninguno se ha ido a otro avión para volar más horas o por volar un avión más capaz. El EF-2000 es el más capaz con mucha diferencia en lo que hace.

Tayun: La gente se sigue matando por volar lo mejor, lo último, y lo mejor en España significa volar el Tifón.

:arrow: 26) Párrafo de una entrevista al jefe de la Luftwaffe, en junio de 2010:
Interview with LtGen Aarne Kreuzinger-Janik, Chief Of Staff Luftwaffe
June 30, 2010

The EUROFIGHTER offers new operational possibilities due to its aerodynamic performance concerning speed, climb performance, agility, range and endurance and especially because of its modern avionic system and its data exchange capability allowing the aircraft to participate in joint and combined networked operations. The EUROFIGHTER has an enormous technological growth potential.

http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/604/
http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/605/

:arrow: 27) Artículo de finales de 2009 con opiniones de pilotos de la RAF sobre el buen hacer del Typhoon:
Flight's test pilot (Pete Collins, a retired RAF Wing Commander, former RAF test pilot and Red Arrow) concluded that: “If I had to go into combat, on any mission, against anyone, I would, without question, choose the Rafale."

From such a pilot, this ringing endorsement seemed, on the face of it, to be unarguable.
But RAF Typhoon pilots in the UAE reacted with puzzled amusement and barely disguised scorn.
“If he thought that, he can't have flown Typhoon” one told me, bluntly, while another (who had actually flown Rafale) explained that “the Rafale is underpowered by comparison with Typhoon, and needs reheat where we would use dry. We can get through the Mach and supercruise in dry power at typical operating altitudes, and you simply can't do that in Rafale."
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“The article then moves on to the Test Flight itself, beginning with Pre-mission planning. Overall this was a very simple sortie profile, and his comments are hardly incisive.
“350 kt, in full afterburner at 35 degrees nose up is not that impressive - at that angle Typhoon will go Supersonic! Note that he was initially only allowed to fly A/S FCS laws!

The quoted turn performance for the Rafale (mild buffet at 4.5 g and dry power and a sustained 5g at 350 kts needing 10 deg nose down pitch) is less than startling -our test pilots could do as well in an F-15 19 years ago when they assessed it at the end of the ETPS course. The acceleration (taking approximately 10 seconds to go from 200-500 knots) is good but so it should be for a twin engine fighter at that weight and altitude.

“Roll rates were clearly assessed at 1 g - a better evaluation would have been at elevated g or AoA as a combat capability - noticeably missing in his test.

“At 25,000 ft he went supersonic in a shallow dive - he does not say what power he used - if it was using afterburner, this is not great SEP (specific excess power). He made no comments on radar handling or as to what range the TV was used at. He treated pitch sensitivity as an indication of how agile the aircraft is '' and this is bad Test Pilot analysis. The assessment of the AAR laws was cursory. His comments about the tail chase were similarly lacking - he could be comparing this to a Hawk and not another advanced aircraft.

“Two approaches in Auto-throttle mode say little about the aircraft, and Collins made no mention at all of flight path stability and the ability to rapidly correct a poor line up from decision height - both essential TP tests for approaches.

“Achieving 1 hour and 25 minutes with 5.3 tonnes of fuel (needing a centre line tank) and landing with 500 kg after the profile described says to me that the aircraft is not that different from the competition [Eurofighter] when it comes to range/endurance/fuel consumption.

“He is right in saying that he "only scratched the surface of the sensor and weapon capabilities". That explains his claim to be 'fully at home in the aircraft, retaining full situational awareness.'
“The evaluation was rather cursory and the concluding superlatives are more journalistic than real conclusions and recommendations. If he would risk his life in any combat situation based on the evidence of what he actually saw...... words fail me!"

http://www.combataircraft.net/reports/rafale.php

:arrow: 28 ) Del especial de la revista Aeroplano sobre el 100º aniversario de la aviación militar española (2011), sobre el EFA y España, Miguel de las Heras Gonzalo, coronel de aviación, pag. 378:
Se puede afirmar sin género de dudas que, hasta la fecha, el programa del que proviene la adquisición del C.16 (Eurofighter EF-2000) para el Ejército del Aire, ha sido el más ambicioso, desde los puntos de vista tecnológico y económico, de los que se han llevado a cabo dentro del seno de nuestras Fuerzas Armadas.

Al programa Eurofighter, habrí­a que considerarlo por todo lo que ha supuesto para España. En este sentido, ha significado un reto tecnológico de primera magnitud, catapultando a la industria aeronáutica española hasta niveles no vistos anteriormente en aspectos como: estructuras, propulsión, guerra electrónica, simulación, etc.

En definitiva, el programa Eurofighter, constituye una verdadera apuesta con carácter nacional que abarca varios sectores del Estado, con dimensiones tecnológicas, industriales y de seguridad que
trascienden el terreno de lo estrictamente militar.

Al programa Eurofighter, habrí­a que considerarlo por todo lo que ha supuesto para España. En este sentido, ha significado un reto tecnológico de primera magnitud, catapultando a la industria aeronáutica española hasta niveles no vistos anteriormente en aspectos como: estructuras, propulsión, guerra electrónica, simulación, etc.

Asimismo, la gigantesca inversión que se está realizando revierte íntegramente en España, ya que la financiación se rige bajo el criterio de que “el dinero no cruza fronteras". Es muy significativo el número de puestos de trabajo, directos e indirectos, que se han generado con el programa y larga lista de empresas nacionales, contratadas o subcontratadas, que participan en la fabricación de componentes.

En definitiva, el programa Eurofighter, constituye una verdadera apuesta con carácter nacional que abarca varios sectores del Estado, con dimensiones tecnológicas, industriales y de seguridad que trascienden el terreno de lo estrictamente militar.
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Asimismo [el programa Eurofighter], significa mantener una lí­nea de actuación, iniciada ya con el C.15, en la que se busca el mayor grado posible de autonomí­a nacional a la hora de gestionar la evolución del sistema de armas, especialmente en todos los aspectos relacionados con las capacidades operativas, como pueden ser integración de armamento, integración y gestión de sensores, software operativo, guerra electrónica, etc.

http://www.portalcultura.mde.es/Galeria ... ano_29.pdf

:arrow: 29) Opiniones de Tayun de finales de 2011 en el Foro FAS:
Yo, sin conocerlas, apuesto por las futuras capacidades del F-35 y me tiro de cabeza por las presentes capacidades del Tifón. Entiendo las dudas que ambos representan y algunas hasta las comparto. Por lo que ya no paso es por comparar al Tifón con generaciones anteriores de magníficos aviones que tuvieron su momento [F-15, F-16, F-18], y sus contrincantes al uso [Flankers y Fulcrums]. Querer asimilar un Falcon o un Eagle con el Tifón es una broma en la que el que suele reir el último es el piloto del Eurofighter.

“....no se sabe cuándo se alcanzarán las capacidades "diferenciales" [del Typhoon] (si es que se alcanzan)”

Cada uno puede hacer la lectura que desee. Bajo mi punto de vista, quizás no acertado, las capacidades diferenciales con sus competidores convencionales ya se han alcanzado: fusión de sensores, MIDS, DASS, HMSS y una capacidad aerodinámica de otra galaxia. [Le ha faltado citar el DVI, que sí citó en su blog.]

De finales de 2011 sobre entrenamiento entre Raptors y Tifones en Reino Unido:
El Raptor llevaba la lente de aumento, con lo que averiguas poco de su radar, aunque en dos días con cuatro vuelos al día, tampoco es que de como para penetraciones de 400 ó 500 km, que hubiese sido lo más interesante. Aún así se probaron tres o cuatro cosas viniendo los americanos desde el mar con las lentes apagadas. En general, si sobrevives a tres o cuatro días de batalla, se le puede poner complicado al gringo, porque de las experiencias se aprende, pero claro, hay que sobrevivir esos tres o cuatro días.

En la visual es una mala bestia y el único que puede llegar a superar al Tifón gracias a sus toberas.
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En la parte baja de la envolvente, las toberas le dan al Raptor un plus de efectividad en tijeras, que nosotros de momento compensamos con un sistema lógico de vuelo cuyas leyes son directamente una maravilla.

:arrow: 30) Extracto de un artículo de Tayun altamente recomencable en su blog, de finales de 2011:
Tempestades y Tifones.- (Blog Bacterios Club)
sábado, 26 de noviembre de 2011
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Del Tifón se ha dicho de todo: que si llega tarde y ahora es un avión desfasado, que promete mucho y ofrece poco, que casi no puede ni lanzar bombas tontas, que solo es un producto de marketing, que es carísimo, que nos están tomando el pelo en Europa, que somos tontos, prácticamente imbéciles. Eso sí, aún no he oído decir nada remotamente parecido a nadie que haya operado con él, junto a él o contra él. Porque la realidad es que cuando subes y cantas tu indicativo, todo el mundo corre a pegarse contigo, y todo el mundo sale generalmente escocido. La parte negativa de esto es que en el fondo, tú sabes que tus victorias no se deben únicamente a tí y tu enorme ego.
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Lo que el Tifón ha dejado ya en el Ejército del Aire, además de tempestades en la calle, es capacidad de estar con conocimiento de causa. Ya no somos operadores de, somos parte de, y lo somos con conocimiento de causa. Lo hemos sido en Alemania, y en Inglaterra y en Italia, y lo hemos sido en Corea y en Japón y en la India. En medio mundo y para todos, excepto al parecer para aquellos que en aras de ejercer su libertad de palabra, parece que hablan sin conocimiento de causa.
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A estas alturas de la película, ya ningún profesional duda que el Tifón es el mejor caza convencional del mundo. Un aparato que recibe mejoras a medida que la nueva tecnología se va desarrollando y se consiguen los fondos necesarios. ¿Cómo puede llegar tarde algo cuya tecnología no se ha desarrollado hasta hace tres minutos?. Es una crítica irracional.
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su extraordinaria agilidad que excede con creces la de cualquier otro caza convencional, y su capacidad para subirse a cincuenta mil pies sobre el Mediterráneo y golpear más lejos, más coordinado y más rápido que nadie, consumiendo bastante menos,
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Pero si hay dos elementos que marcan claramente su diferencia en cuanto a esfuerzo en investigación y desarrollo, y en cuanto a tiempo y dinero invertidos, con respecto a sus principales adversarios convencionales, esos son el DVI y el HMSS.
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Dicho esto, queda claro que podríamos haber optado por un sistema de armas menos sofisticado y por ende, de adquisición más económica. Nuestros presupuestos de defensa se encontrarían sin duda menos hipotecados y se instauraría, al fín, la paz global en los foros de temática militar. Eso sí, en caso de necesidad, causa mayor o guerra, Dios no lo quiera, perderíamos la capacidad para desatar sobre el enemigo, tempestades y tifones.

http://bacteriosclub.blogspot.com/2011/ ... fones.html

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Re: EF-2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

Notapor Orel el Dom Jun 10, 2012 5:15 pm

Y la continuación y final de la recopilación de citas positivas sobre el Tifón :wink: :

:arrow: 31) Evaluación de Singapur en 2005, el Typhoon quedó primero, por delante de F-15 y Rafale. Pero por problemas con calendario, ganó el F-15. El Rafale quedó en tercer lugar. Esto coincide con el punto 12) anterior:
The key fact that I heard again and again from sources who did not then want to be named was that the Typhoon had 'won' the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) evaluation, and that it had been the RSAF's favoured technical solution, not least by demonstrating particular capabilities that the opposing types could not.

As we all know, the aircraft was then rejected before its two competitors, showing that it had effectively become Singapore's 'third choice.

The Singapore MINDEF press release emphasized that the Typhoon was “a very capable aircraft”, but that “the committed schedule for the delivery of the Typhoon and its systems did not meet the requirements of the RSAF.”

The problem was apparently partly one of delivery timescales, but mainly one of the Eurofighter partner nations' continuing inability to accurately and credibly define the content of the Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 Typhoon capability packages.

Singapore needed Tranche 2/3 capabilities that were 'road-mapped' but unfunded, and wanted them in a timescale that could only be met by taking Tranche 1 aircraft.

But this fact (that Typhoon was the RSAF's favoured choice) has always been rejected by the Rafale fans, on the basis that the sources were anonymous, and that I was the journalist involved.

And now, eight years on, we’re about to get a named source, closely involved in the evaluation, confirming to a different journalist, that the RSAF ‘loved the Typhoon’, that Typhoon had been their favourite, and indeed that it had been the aircraft that they wanted. And it will be confirmed that Typhoon was defeated because they, the RSAF, couldn’t be confident of getting the Tranche 2 capabilities that they needed.

jon lake http://typhoon.starstreak.net/forum/vie ... f=1&t=2045

:arrow: 32) Sobre Canadá: hace unos años (2006) los canadienses buscaron posibles alternativas al F-35 (Rafale, EFA, Gripen y SuperHornet), y los documentos asociados se han revelado recientemente: voces críticas cuestionan el resultado de la evaluación canadiense de aquél año y piden más pruebas de que el inmaduro F-35 sea la mejor opción. Dicen que el SuperHornet y el Eurofighter estaban por encima del F-35, según una presentación hecha al Jefe de la FA de Canadá en febrero de 2011, según la cual, el Rafale y el Gripen fueron descartados rotundamente.
05/8/2012
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A copy of the air force's preliminary analysis, also obtained under access to information, provides a snapshot of each the competitors.
The operational requirements and concept document, dated June 2006
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Boeing's Super Hornet and Eurofighter's Typhoon were stacked up against the controversial and not fully tested F-35s, according to a February 2011 slide deck presentation to the chief of air staff.
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The other contenders, including the French-manufactured Dassault Rafale and SAAB Gripen, were dismissed outright, according to the analysis.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/fpnews ... wstopstory
http://thechronicleherald.ca/canada/943 ... a-in-brief

:arrow: 33) Más de Tayun en el FMG a finales de 2010 sobre que Typhoon y cazas "tuneados" anteriores no tienen nada que ver:
…Los diseños setenteros de los teen fighters (F-15, F-16, F-18) y equivalentes rusos (Mig-29, Su-27), son tan válidos hoy en día como el EF-2000 nacido más o menos contemporáneamente. Todos debidamente actualizados y mejorados…

No, los teen y sus equivalentes nacieron en su momento, y el Tifón nació en el suyo. Cuando los Teen nacían y comenzaban a volar, el Tifón era una idea y muchos dibujos. Un concepto de algo que se quería. El Tifón acaba de nacer hace tres años, cuando llega a unas unidades que primero tienen que cambiar la forma de hacer las cosas que significaban su oficio, después tienen que evaluar que lo que otros tios han probado antes y ahora les cuentan a ellos es cierto. Acomodarse a una nueva realidad, al nuevo concepto de guerra en red. Por supuesto que esos Teen actualizados no están a la altura del Tifón, porque están actualizados al día de hoy, pero no pensados para librar la guerra del mañana.
Solo el Super Hornet de todos los occidentales que nombras, está pensado desde el principio para desarrollar ese nuevo concepto de guerra aérea, pero al Rhino estarás de acuerdo en que no podemos considerarlo un refrito de uno de los mejores aviones del mundo. Hubo que hacerle algún apaño más.
PD: Un detalle, hoy creo que nadie que pretenda ser objetivo puede dudar que como caza, el Tifón es una bestia parda, muy parda.

Y Charly015, defensor de lo ruso, en noviembre de 2008 en este mismo foro:
Si yo fuese un dirigente de una Fuerza Aérea y tuviese que elegir entre el Su-30MK/Su-35 y el Tifón me quedarí­a sin mirarlo con el caza Europeo porque hoy representa el futuro mientras que el Sujoi representa el presente y quizá el mañana pero nada más.
...El diseño ruso está en su limite evolutivo y el Tifón está empezando a evolucionar ahora con sus tranches...
hoy un Su-35 es comparable a un Tifón -incluso un Su-30MKI o etc- pero a medio plazo la evolución tecnológica de la nueva generación de cazas superará al diseño ruso

:arrow: 34) De la revista AIR international sobre el ejercicio Indra Danush III que tuvo lugar entre octubre y noviembre de 2010 entre ingleses e indios. Los primeros desplegaron 6 Tifones y un E-3 y los segundos pusieron a disposición Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000H, Mig-27, A-50 y otros:
Los indios estaban impresionados por la potencia y prestaciones del EFA. En zonas húmedas y altas los cazas pierden prestaciones, sin embargo el EFA no parece perderlas.

Las prestaciones de los EJ200 son una de las bazas clave del EFA. La conciencia situacional y el MMI son otras grandes bazas. La información mostrada en cabina está muy bien filtrada y expuesta, el Link-16 funciona genial y poder introducir datos no sólo electrónicamente si no también con voz es otro punto a favor.
De hecho, los EFAs actuaron a veces como mini-AWACs para cazas como los Mirage 2000H redistribuyendo la info que recibí­an de aviones AEW mediante el MIDS.

Otra fuente sobre Tifones contra Su-30MKI:
'British Typhoons whacked India's Sukhois in joint exercises'
24 July 2011

"Well, they lost," was Stephen Dalton's (Britain's air chief) response when IANS asked how the Russia-developed India-manufactured Su-30MKI air superiority jets performed against the Royal Air Force's (RAF) Typhoons when they matched their wits during the joint exercises in recent years.
However, he was quick to add that the two aircraft are different in technologies, and that Typhoons are next generation, and hence there is no comparison.
The two aircraft were pitted against each other during 'Indradhanush' exercises in 2007 at Waddington in Britain and in 2010 at Kalaikunda in India.
Dalton also indicated that the IAF inventory of Sukhois, MiGs and Mirages are no match to the Typhoons.

http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british ... cises.html

:arrow: 35) Información sobre el desempeño del Typhoon en la guerra de Libia. Primero sobre los ingleses (Operation Ellamy):
The Typhoon's most impressive characteristic, to those not familiar with its potent performance, was the ease with which it carried large weapon payloads over significant distances in the changeable air environment. On several occasions, en route to the operating area, Typhoon pilots were able to climb over thunderstorms that required other aircraft, with less performance, to re-route around them. This characteristic stood Typhoon apart from its contemporaries.

Carrying up to 4x air-to-air missiles, 4x 1,000 lb bombs, a targeting pod and two under-wing fuel tanks [1.000 lt], Typhoon can fly at 40,000 feet and at speeds of over 500 knots [a esa altura eso es casi Mach 0.9] while using relatively little fuel. This low fuel consumption had obvious benefits in terms of endurance; it allowed Typhoon to loiter over significant periods providing airborne cover with its complement of air-to-air weapons. Moreover, it also ensured that the Typhoon was less of an air-to-air refuelling burden in the busy airspace.

(Source: House of Commons Report on Operations in Libya)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... libya.html

Asked what he felt were the advantages of the Typhoon, Wg. Cdr. Attridge said “For me it was looking at the air-picture of the entire operating area, whilst on the ground at Gioia Del Colle. Our Link-16 datalink allowed us to zoom into any area, interrogate tracks to see who was operating where and pick up tasking. If you combine this with the outrageous thrust to weight advantage that Typhoon enjoys you have an aircraft that carries a lot of ordnance, with a pilot that has no doubt where that payload is going to be delivered".

Several times Typhoon pilots were forced to climb over thundercloud activity en route to the Area of Operation, whilst other aircraft with less performance were forced to re-route. What makes Typhoon stand apart from its contemporaries is that even when carrying 4 x 1000 lb weapons, a targeting pod and 2 underwing tanks it can still fly at 40,000 feet, with impressive fuelrates statistics. This has obvious benefits in terms of endurance and more importantly, it ensures that the Typhoon is less of a burden on the air refuelling plan in the air-space.

“From a pilot's perspective, the aircraft is spectacular. Despite spending on average 7 hours in the cockpit per mission you could not find a more comfortable aircraft to fly. The cockpit is large by fast-jet standards and the information from the radar, DASS and LINK-16 is displayed easily and accessibly. This allows you to function at 100% capability throughout the sortie, not plagued by fatigue or a lack of situational awareness. Due to the aircraft's huge excess power it enables the flight from Gioia to Libya, some 650 miles, to take just over an hour, cruising at 40 000 feet, 0.9 mach, even with a war load of 4 Enhanced Paveway II 1000 lb bombs, a Litening III Targeting POD, AMRAAM and ASRAAM missiles.

Overall success rate: 97%

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/we ... 011web.pdf
http://www.eurofighter.com/media/news0/ ... tions.html

November 2011. Overall, the RAF says it [Typhoon] flew more than 650 sorties, logging more than 3,000 hours. Serviceability was maintained at 99%

http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx? ... 49f94d474b

'The UK did not need Harriers over Libya'
23 May 2012

In the second of two articles on commanders' thoughts on Operation Ellamy, Air Commodore Gary Waterfall explains the role of Typhoon, the need for Sentinel and how Britain performed without aircraft carriers
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During Operation Ellamy last year, the Royal Air Force went to great lengths to conduct air operations with the high degree of precision that was ultimately achieved despite the lack of ground personnel to aid targeting.
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As well as surveillance aircraft, Typhoon performed "extremely well" on its first operational deployment outside its Quick Reaction Alert role, Waterfall said.
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"It really heralded the dawn of the multirole capability in terms of being able to put bombs on it as well as air-to-air missiles," he said.
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"We are still growing the force, we're still limited in the numbers of squadrons we have got and we are still expanding the force and getting our capability together and we will take all of those important lessons into future decisions as to the impact on the software and putting further developments on the aircraft."

Question: Were operations limited by Typhoon's fledgling air-to-ground capability, which saw it only able to deploy the older Paveway II?

"No, because the Tornado and the Typhoon operated together, and by operating together the sum was very much in excess of the total component part of the two aircraft," he says.
"You had the Typhoon, a 21st-century, capable aircraft with all of its data link - and you had to know exactly where people were at the right time - and using its radar and of course its air-to-air missiles. In addition it had the Paveway bomb. You then marry that with the Tornado with a two-crew concept, people who are battle-hardened in terms of what they had done over Afghanistan and in Telic over Iraq for many, many years; and fusing those two sensors and aircraft together was a really powerful combination.
"The range and the flexible response that the Paveway IV affords you is clearly much better than you can get on Paveway II, which is why many times if we needed to have that range of accuracy we could use the Paveway IV, and if we didn't we could use the Paveway II."

http://www.defencemanagement.com/featur ... p?id=19767

[In Libya] Many pundits see Libya as Typhoon simply dropping one type of bomb in a pretty limited way, but it was actually much more about Typhoon’s position within the information net and how it was able to facilitate just about everything in terms of the prosecution and, in some cases detection of fleeting targets.

In many ways, Typhoon over Libya could be considered a BACN (Battlefield Airborne Communications Node) with bombs, supersonic performance and a formidable air-defence capability. I heard of one four-ship mission where three Tornados and a Typhoon bombed on GPS, taking out 17 targets simultaneously. The Typhoon then turned around and while he dropped his final two bombs, the pilot did bomb damage assessment with his TP [targeting pod]. At the same time, his jet was providing enhanced EW protection to the entire package. The RAF has Typhoon set up to allow a single pilot to have full SA [situational awareness], while precision bombing and doing BDA [bomb damage assesment] in a hostile environment with a very real EM threat.

In a mixed Tornado/Typhoon formation, threats detected by the Tornado’s systems – and the Tornado GR4 is no slouch when it comes to self-protection – were dismissed or reacted to based on what the Typhoon’s sensors were reporting, because the Typhoon system is considered so good. Typhoon’s radar also came into play looking for tankers in the busy, but large and sometimes very empty skies over the Med [Mediterranean Sea], and allowed the jet to deconflict traffic where communications, for whatever reason, had broken down [mini-AWACS].

http://hushkit.wordpress.com/2012/04/24 ... n-typhoon/

“The first thing with Typhoon is performance. By which I mean engines and airframe,” he replied. “The ability to climb to 40,000ft plus without using reheat means you don’t have a fuel penalty to get to those heights. The fact that you can loiter at those heights means you can spend more time in the area
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There was no single component that caused a significant problem and the general serviceability of the aircraft significantly surprised me. I wasn’t expecting it to perform as well as it did – we could fly it for six hours, turn it, fly it for another six hours and it would land serviceable
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Describing the tactical advantages Sqn Ldr Bolton said of Typhoon’s performance capability: “We can put four 1,000 pound weapons on board, fuel tanks, air-to-air missiles and a Litening 3 pod, and still be able to manoeuvre the aircraft with carefree handling just because of the engines and the airframe. It’s just fantastic. Typhoon is a very, very easy aeroplane to fly.”
Such ease of flying allows the pilot to focus on being a battle space manager, monitoring the radar and other sensors for the best employment of weapons to achieve the best effect.
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“The thing that Typhoon gives you, even when she’s carrying air-to-surface weapons, is that the performance still allows you to easily get high and fast enough, to launch a more robust shot that is much harder to defeat, so therefore more deadly.
The author asked Wg Cdr Wells if Typhoon suffers any detriment to performance in an air-to-air engagement when carrying up to four 1,000lb (454kg) bombs. “No, that’s one of the really great things about the jet. Even in a multi-role fit touting four AMRAAMs, two ASRAAMs, two under wing tanks, four 1,000lb-class weapons and a Litening pod, your performance on height and fuel burn isn’t hugely adversely affected.
She’s just easy to fly in that sort of heavy fit.
“When flying a legacy platform, much more of your capacity and focus would have been on purely flying the aircraft, as opposed to operating it, whereas with Typhoon you can just plug in the auto throttle, auto pilot if you need, depending on the phase of the mission, and she’ll just take all of your issues away.”
http://www.baesystems.com/download/BAES ... n-the-road

Y sobre los Tifones italianos en Libia:
Desplegaron 6 aviones. Su efectividad ha sido de media 95%, confimando una cifra que se corrobora cada vez que se despliegan en misiones, ejercicios y exhibiciones. Misiones aire-aire de duración media 3 horas a casi 1.000 km de su base de despliegue. Volaban con 3 depos de 1.000 l, 4 AMRAAM y 4 Iris-T (más cañón). Excelente servicio del DASS y señuelos. 201 misiones con 1.294 horas voladas:
The RAF was not the only air force to have used the Eurofighter Typhoon with great effectiveness during the operations in Libya.
For the Italian Air Force too, NATO’s activities in Libya represented the combat debut of their Typhoon aircraft and saw positive feedback of the aircraft’s capabilities.
Regularly operating in Libya’s Defensive Counter Air (DCA) and Offensive Counter Air (OCA – escort to Air to Ground Assets) missions.
The average Italians’ mission time was of about 3 hours in length with some lasting up to 8 hours, including up to three in-flight refuellings. The Italian aircraft operated at considerable distances from their bases, up to 200nm south of Tripoli (approx. 950 km from their deployment base from Trapani-Birgi), and over Bengasi and Sirte (approx. 980 km from Trapani).
The normal Typhoon configuration was with three external fuel tanks each with 800 kg-fuel [1.000 litros], four AMRAAM under the fuselage and four IRIS-T infrared missiles on the external wing pylons. In addition to the missile systems, the aircraft also had the internal 27mm Mauser cannon with 150 shots. The use of the DASS self-defence system and chaff and flares was excellent for both the RAF and Italian Air Forces.

The green light for operations was given to the Typhoons of the Italian Air Force on March 17th at 23.00 hrs, and on Sunday March 20th at 13.00 hrs six aircraft from the two Italian Typhoon Wings were already deployed to Trapani in Sicily. Just two hours later, the aircraft were ready for action.
In total, the Italian Air Force carried out 201 completed missions with the Typhoons over 203 tasked (99%) and flew 1.294 Flying Hours from Trapani between March and July 2011.

The Typhoon efficiency at Trapani has been, on average, 95% while the efficiency at the Main Operational Bases was, on average 75%, confirming the low footprint and easy maintenance of the aircraft under combat deployment status. These are facts already recorded by Eurofighter air forces in exercises and deployments all around the world (Laage; Bangalore and Kalaikunda, India; Israel; Malaysia; UAE; Oman; the US; the Baltic; Iceland and the Falklands Islands).

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/we ... 012012.pdf

:arrow: 36) Sobre la evaluación técnica india del MMRCA, de la revista Air Forces Monthly (AFM) nº 282 september 2011 ("Typhoon vs. Rafale. Which will win in India?"):
Detalles del artículo:

- Durante las pruebas con una configuración de 60-70% de combustible interno, un depósito externo, misiles BVR y WVR y dos bombas AS, sólo el Typhoon y el Mig-35 demostraron mantener una relación empuje/peso mayor de 1:1.
- Por encima de 40.000 pies el EFA es superior al Rafale en todo, incluyendo aceleración, tasa y radio de giro, Gs sostenibles, etc.
- El Eurofighter puede supercrucear (supercrucero) con la carga completa de misiles AA aire-aire (armas) y de depósitos (depos).
- El EFA se está equipando con un visor de casco de última generación bifocal.

Y de un análisis de defensa externo independiente sobre los contendientes al MMRCA antes de su evaluación (Mig-35, SuperHornet, F-16IN Block60, Rafale, Gripen NG y Typhoon):
Out of all the aircraft, the Typhoon conformed most closely to the Request for Proposals, and in a purely technical sense, it arguably remains the most sophisticated airplane in the mix
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The Typhoon, perhaps, has an edge here mostly because of its excellent human factors engineering.
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When these competitors are considered on balance, the Eurofighter probably edges to the top of the final four in terms of overall sophistication, but barely.
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The Typhoon, too, comes closest to the static requirements of the MMRCA Request for Proposals, or at least appears able to comply with them with fewest changes.
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the IAF has emphasized the air-to-air requirements when evaluating the aerodynamic efficiency of the various MMRCA contenders because of both mission priorities and the reality described earlier: that airframes capable of superlatively performing the air combat mission are likely to be found satisfactory for the air-to-ground requirement as well
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It [the Eurofighter] also exhibits striking short takeoff and landing performance.
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In fact, the Eurofighter remains the only aircraft among the MMRCA competitors to have demonstrated some sort of supercruise capability.
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http://carnegieendowment.org/files/dogfight.pdf

:arrow: 37) Dato del Eurofighter ´para Austria publicado en el número de septiembre de 2011 de la revista Fuerzas de Defensa y Seguridad FDS (nº 401):
En el concurso para la FA austrí­aca el EFA demostró ser netamente superior al F-16C [Block 52+] y al Gripen [C] en 800 de las 1.000 caracterí­sticas evaluadas.

:arrow: 38 ) Datos sueltos sobre el Typhoon:
El Typhoon puede supercrucear reconocidamente a entre mach 1.1 y 1.3 (mach 1.4 según la evaluación suiza de 2008) con carga completa de misiles AA y depos.
Con los 3 depos y armas AA puede volar con PC sostenidamente a mach 1.6.
Con una configuración de 60-70% de combustible interno, un depósito, AAMs y dos bombas AS, el Typhoon mantiene una relación empuje/peso mayor de 1:1.
Con 4 bombas de 1.000 lb, dos depos, LDP y misiles AA (WVR y BVR) puede volar en crucero a mach 0.9 y 40.000 pies de altura, pudiendo meterle más de 5,5 Gs de carga y más de 20º de AoA.

:arrow: 39) El Tifón puede hacer virguerías cargado a tope como ningún otro caza existente, y lo mostró en Farnborough en verano de 2006 (ya puesto) y luego en verano de 2010 y 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ENnEQkh ... r_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4psRKtsy9c
IPA 5 will fly in a swing-role configuration, including four Paveway II laser guided bombs (1000 lb), two 1000 ltr fuel tanks, four AMRAAMs and two ASRAAMs and will highlight to the trade and public visitors that the Typhoon is agile regardless of weapon load, pulling up to an impressive 5.5g and in excess of 20 degrees angle of attack.
http://www.eurofighter.com/media/news0/ ... attoo.html

:arrow: 40) Además del blocaje radar a larga distancia y de la detección mediante el DASS que lograron Typhoon ingleses sobre Raptors en 2005 en EEUU (ya citado), más recientemente también lograron detecciones suyas mediante el IRST Pirate (citado en artículo de diciembre de 2011):
tras meses de preguntas, la RAF confirmó que sus Typhoon Eurofighter detectaron y siguieron (detect and track) F-22 Raptor que estaban operando sobre RU en 2010 con su IRST Pirate.

de la revista dti (defense technology international, aviationweek, december 2011, Bill Sweetman
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/1501/irstdti1.png
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4633/irstdti2.png

:arrow: 41) Un piloto de SuperHornet australiano Australia dijo a finales de 2011 que preferiría volar en Typhoon tras el ejercicio Bersama Lima 2011 en que ambos cazas se midieron:
"I’d rather go to war in a Typhoon than in a F-18 SuperHornet" an Aussie exchange pilot says.
http://theaviationist.com/2011/12/05/typhoon-malaysia/

:arrow: 42) En declaraciones de principios de 2012, un ex-piloto de F-15 saudí que ahora vuelo el Typhoon, está emocionado con el Typhoon, especialmente con su potencial aire-suelo:
I've just had a chat with one of the Saudi Typhoon pilots (there are two here), an ex-F-15 pilot, who was very, very enthusiastic about Typhoon, and who was especially keen on it's air-to-ground potential.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/bahrai ... rward.html
http://typhoon.starstreak.net/forum/vie ... &start=320

:arrow: 43) Extracto de un artículo de abril de 2012, de entrevista a pilotos de Tifón de la RAF:
What I’m hearing is that in the air-to-air arena, especially with the HMS and Meteor, but even now, without the missile, the more experienced guys and girls on Typhoon would happily fly against anything and expect minimal losses. They are very, very confident. No one, on or off record, has said anything less than the superlative about Typhoon. I’ve been told that the aircraft is extremely powerful, with sufficient excess power to cope with planned upgrades. Hanging weapons on the jet makes little difference to its performance
Pilots use the throttles carefully so as not to push the aircraft supersonic by accident.
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It is also the case that the RAF flies its Typhoons for airframe life, rather than extreme, ragged-edge-of-envelope performance. That’s not to say that such performance isn’t there, but it is telling that in regular training RAF pilots take Typhoon out to 9g. On the face of it, not such an impressive claim – USAF F-15A pilots were doing that in the 1980s – but Typhoon has the power and pilot support systems to go out to 9g and stay there, as a matter of course. And that’s when it’s being flown conservatively.
...
[In Libya] Many pundits see Libya as Typhoon simply dropping one type of bomb in a pretty limited way, but it was actually much more about Typhoon’s position within the information net and how it was able to facilitate just about everything in terms of the prosecution and, in some cases detection of fleeting targets.

In many ways, Typhoon over Libya could be considered a BACN (Battlefield Airborne Communications Node) with bombs, supersonic performance and a formidable air-defence capability. I heard of one four-ship mission where three Tornados and a Typhoon bombed on GPS, taking out 17 targets simultaneously. The Typhoon then turned around and while he dropped his final two bombs, the pilot did bomb damage assessment with his TP [targeting pod]. At the same time, his jet was providing enhanced EW protection to the entire package. The RAF has Typhoon set up to allow a single pilot to have full SA [situational awareness], while precision bombing and doing BDA [bomb damage assesment] in a hostile environment with a very real EM threat.

In a mixed Tornado/Typhoon formation, threats detected by the Tornado’s systems – and the Tornado GR4 is no slouch when it comes to self-protection – were dismissed or reacted to based on what the Typhoon’s sensors were reporting, because the Typhoon system is considered so good. Typhoon’s radar also came into play looking for tankers in the busy, but large and sometimes very empty skies over the Med [Mediterranean Sea], and allowed the jet to deconflict traffic where communications, for whatever reason, had broken down [mini-AWACS].

http://hushkit.wordpress.com/2012/04/24 ... n-typhoon/

:arrow: 44) De abril de 2012:
Typhoon proved to be the real winner in the exercise [Bersama Lima 2011] despite aircraft performance being reduced for security purposes. The squadron pilots were full of praise for the new capability and "at no time did a Typhoon pilot feel threatened". Typhoons were always on top in air combat. [Mig-29 malasios, F-16 de Singapur, SuperHornet australianos y F-15SG de Singapur]
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The Typhoon design conserves, still intact, its full growth potential to cope with an uncertain future, as no major modifications to its basic characteristics and architecture has yet taken place. High on the priority list is the latest generation AESA radar antenna mounted on a moveable re-positioner for a best-in-class scan volume. Closely matched to the sensors step improvement is the integration of a new class of long range air-to-air missile with a greatly expanded No Escape Zone. These two high quality enhancements will further close the capability gap with the F-22 and bring Typhoon to the pinnacle of the air dominance fighters.

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/we ... 012012.pdf

:arrow: 45) En mayo de 2012, el forista EELightning ha afirmado esto en Keypublishing respecto al ejercicio Frisian Flag de este año 2012 donde participaban Tifones ingleses y alemanes (junto con F-16 de varias naciones, Gripen, F-15, F-18), y donde al parecer se portaron genial:
Frisian Flag ’12, which involved; Swedish Gripens, American F-15Cs, Dutch, Norwegian & Belgian F-16s, Finnish F-18Cs, German and British No. 3(F) Squadron Typhoons. Concerning the RAF Typhoon fleet, at least, they were tasked to perform multi-role sorties while facing an A/A threat with the same weapons configuration (simulated) they operated with over Libya – 4x EPWII, 6x A/A missiles, 2x drop tanks. Mission Commanders generally put them out front to sweep the airspace or if they wanted a lot of weapons to be carried a long way. On one occasion a four ship RAF Typhoon fleet claimed between four and six kills each and within four minutes destroyed in excess of 20 aircraft. So, they were significantly outnumbered on that occasion yet they got out unharmed.

31st May 2012, 17:09
EELightning
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... 86&page=19

:arrow: 46) Sobre el ejercicio Magic Carpet que tuvo lugar en 2012 en Omán (país muy posible comprador de Tifones). Cita la abrumadora superioridad demostrada por el Typhoon sobre el F-16 y, como es también habitual, la excelente disponibilidad:
April 25, 2012
...
The training conducted by the Squadron over the detachment would range from Air combat against F-16s (which resulted in a resounding win for the Typhoon each and every time,) to close air support and live weapon drops.

Following the sorties to the range an exercise COMAO (Combined Air Operations) wave got airborne each day. Mission Commanders for the blue air assets were nominated each day, comprising of members from both the RAF and RAFO. The typical COMAO wave consisted of 4 to 6 Typhoons, 4 Jaguars, 4 200 series Hawks and a number of F-16s.

From this mix the Typhoons, F-16s and Hawks would either contribute to the blue and red OCA (Offensive Counter Air) or DCA (Defensive Counter Air) portion of the missions, whilst the Jaguars would fulfil the air to ground role.

However during the final days of the exercise XI Squadron Typhoons were performing in an air to air role as well as accomplishing the air to ground tasks. Exercise Double Diamond, two weeks prior to the deployment proved to be an excellent springboard for Exercise Magic Carpet and as a result XI Squadron gave a good account of themselves amongst the Omani Air Force during the COMAO missions.

Over the next three weeks..... Throughout the Exercise due to a magnificent performance by the engineering team, working day and night, aircraft serviceability was excellent and the Squadron as a result only dropped one sortie. In total XI Squadron logged in excess of 260 flying hours across the detachment.

http://www.onetooneonline.co.uk/sqnnews ... rpet-2012/

:arrow: 47) Extracto de artículo de verano de 2012:
Europe’s Typhoon Fighter
By Carl Posey
Air & Space magazine, July 2012

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At its peak, Ellamy put 32 British aircraft into the conflict, including six Typhoons led by Wing Commander Jez Attridge, a big, fit 42-year-old now serving as capability manager for the RAF Typhoon fleet. We talked last October, on Ellamy’s final day, at the Ministry of Defence in Whitehall.
Attridge had flown Tornados out of the RAF’s Leuchars air base in Fife, and, assigned to the U.S. Marines for three years, became carrier-qualified in the F/A-18, which he described as “a great stepping stone to the Typhoon.” When the RAF attacked Libya, Attridge was commanding the Typhoon squadron that struck.
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The other quality Typhoon pilots talk about a lot is “carefree handling.” Almost every airplane will, at some combination of angle of attack, speed, and trim, stall—depart, as they say. But, so far at least, the Typhoon’s departure, if there is one, remains its secret. “Nothing you can do to depart it,” said Attridge. “The Typhoon is very precise, not a jerky airplane, not like you’re flying along on the edge of a knife. The engine response is as precise as on Hornets, which you need for carrier operations. You feel attached to it.”
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Flying the Tornado in mock combat exercises, Attridge said, he was often “glad when it was over.” No longer. He has flown the Typhoon in exercises against the Mirage 2000, F-15, Su-30 Mk.2, and F-16, none of which “caused any problem for the jet in a visual fight.” One civilian observer at Warton, familiar with the Typhoon’s capabilities, was less kind. Beating F-16s in a Typhoon, he told me, was about as challenging as “clubbing seals.” The Typhoon also reportedly was able to get a radar lock on the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor—the top U.S. fighter—in a 2006 exercise at Naval Air Station China Lake, according to International Air Power Review magazine [y también Tifon han blocado Raptor con DASS en 2005/06 y en 2010 con el IRST Pirate].
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Whatever its fate in the global marketplace, the Typhoon will have a long life and prosper. In Britain, the future also means working well with a competing aircraft. “In the future, you could see the Joint Strike Fighter and Typhoon working closely together,” says Commander Adam Clink, now with the Joint Combat Aircraft Program at Whitehall, which oversees the integration of the F-35 into British service. The Typhoon, which by then will have matured as a multi-role combat jet, would work in concert with the Joint Strike Fighter, Clink says, providing cover while the JSF conducts deep penetrations into—and escapes from—heavily defended airspace.
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If and when the Typhoon and Lightning II go off to war, it will probably be with autonomous, unmanned combat aerial vehicles. They are the future.

http://www.airspacemag.com/military-avi ... c=y&page=1



:arrow: 48 ) Sobre el ejercicio Distant Frontier de 4 días de duración previo al Red Flag 2-2012 en EEUU al que fueron 8 Tifones alemanes, y donde se enfrentaron 8 veces contra Raptors en BFM 1vs.1 a cañón sin visor de casco. De uno de los reporteros que está cubriendo ese evento: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/forum/vie ... 8&start=20
Jon lake: "The unique capabilities (of the Raptor) are overwhelming, but when you get to the merge, the Typhoon does not have to fear the F-22." Colonel Andreas Pfeiffer, OC JG74.

(The Typhoon will not meet the F-22 in air combat during Red Flag Alaska (both are blue force), but the Germans did BFM with the Raptors on two days during Exercise Distant Frontier immediately beforehand.

Y más fuentes con eso exactamente:

La siguiente fuente habla también sobre los combates BFM 1 vs. 1 a cañón contra el Raptor. Pilotos de F-22 Raptor defienden que no hubo una superioridad clara del Tifón sobre el Raptor en dogfight, y que muchas veces "sobremaniobraban" a los Tifones gracias a las toberas vectoriales y su mayor AoA, y que varias veces lograban cañonearlo. Pero reconocen que el Eurofighter es muy bueno, que tiene buena energía y unos muy buenos primeros giros.

Por su parte, el oficial alemán da a entender que sí hubo superioridad del Typhoon sobre el F-22 Raptor en combate cercano, exclusivamente, ya que reconoce la clara superiorida en BVR del Raptor, lógica gracias a su furtividad y prestaciones. Dice que el Eurofighter tiene mejor aceleración que el Raptor y mayor tasa de ascenso.

Y que Raptors y Tifones juntos son una combinación letal:
German Eurofighters impress during Red Flag debut
3/07/2012

As part of the Distant Frontier exercise, F-22s from the USAF's 525th Fighter Squadron faced off against the German fighters in visual-range basic fighter manoeuvres (BFM) combat training.
While Grune does not directly say that the Eurofighters emerged as the overall victors, he strongly implies it.
"I put out some whiskey. If they come back with some good performances, and if you know what the goal is from a BFM setup, and you achieve that, then I will pay you whiskey," he says. "And I paid quite a lot of whiskey."
That account, however, is strongly disputed by USAF sources flying the F-22. "It sounds as though we have very different recollections as to the outcomes of the BFM engagements that were fought," one Raptor pilot says.
USAF sources say that the Typhoon has good energy and a pretty good first turn, but that they were able to outmanoeuvre the Germans due to the Raptor's thrust vectoring. Additionally, the Typhoon was not able to match the high angle of attack capability of the F-22. "We ended up with numerous gunshots," another USAF pilot says.
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says Lt Col Paul Moga, commander of the 525th Fighter Squadron. "Our recent BFM hops with the German air force Typhoons were outstanding. While certain uncontrollable factors such as weather and manoeuvring limitations did not allow for full-up engagements, it is suffice to say that there was much learning across the board. The details of each set-up are privy only to the pilots that flew them, as that is the sacred standard among fighter pilots. One thing is for certain - Raptors and Typhoons are a lethal combination."
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Grune says that the Raptor's advantage lies in its stealth and ability to dominate air-to-air fights from beyond visual range. That is not disputed by USAF sources.
"Its unique capabilities are overwhelming from our first impressions in terms of modern air combat," Pfeiffer says. "But once you get to the merge, which is only a very small spectrum of air combat, in that area the Typhoon doesn't have to fear the F-22 in all aspects."
The Typhoons were stripped of their external fuel tanks and slicked off as much as possible before the encounter with the Raptors, says Grune, who adds that in that configuration, the Typhoon is an "animal".
Pfeiffer notes that the Eurofighter has better acceleration and can out-climb the F-22. ­Additionally, he says that the Raptor sinks when it is using its thrust vectoring capabilities, although one USAF source says he is skeptical of the German claims.
Overall, Grune says the two aircraft are closely matched in the visual range arena, but Pfeiffer says the Typhoon is the superior ­dogfighter.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ut-373312/

Y otra fuente:
Analiza lo sabido sobre los Tifones alemanes en Red Flag 2-12. Sobre eso dice lo que ya he dicho: que el buen hacer del Tifón respecto al F-22 en dogfight significa mucho porque el Raptor es una bestia parda también en ese tipo de combate, lo que indica el buen hacer del europeo. Por supuesto, en BVR el Raptor barre. Y que esos eran Tifones alemanes, los peor equipados de los 4 socios (y los de RU los mejor), algo que ya sabíamos. Como ejemplos "gordos", los alemanes no tienen IRST Pirate, su DASS está a un nivel muy básico y sin señuelos remolcados ni LWR. Y no llevaron el visor de casco HEA Striker.
Luego si logran eso los peor equipados, ¿qué no lograrán los demás Tifones?
EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON BOON! THE LUFTWAFFE TAKE ON THE F-22 RAPTOR AT RED FLAG
by Hush Kit, July 2012

- According to the Col. Andreas Pfeiffer, commander of JG74 “Typhoon is a superior dogfighter” to the F-22 in within visual range combat.
- Typhoon can out-climb the F-22
- Typhoon can out-accelerate the F-22

The confident statements by Pfieffer are significant for two reasons:

1. The F-22 is the aircraft to beat
Of course the Raptor decimated the Typhoons at Beyond Visual Range, a domain where the F-22 is still peerless. But, the Raptor is also one of the very best close-in dogfighters, thanks partly to thrust vector control (TVC).

2. These were German Typhoons
Luftwaffe Typhoons (for the sake of clarity I will not refer to them as ‘Eurofighters’ as the Luftwaffe generally does) are the worst equipped of the partner nations (the RAF aircraft are the best). To put it simply, if the worst Typhoons can put up a decent fight against the F-22, what could the best Typhoons do?

http://hushkit.wordpress.com/2012/07/05 ... -red-flag/

Y otra fuente más:
Prior to the start of Red Flag, four Eurofighter Typhoons took part in exercise ‘Distant Frontier’ which was an opportunity for the American and German pilots to get to know each other and fly together before the start of Red Flag. The Typhoons flew 86 of the 88 planned sorties, mainly offensive counter-air (OCA). Major Marco Gumbrecht, Director of weapons and tactics with JG 74, said “We were testing the electronic warfare and DASS capabilities over the ranges”.
The Eurofighter Typhoons took part in eight 1v1 basic flight manoeuvre (BFM) sorties with the USAF’s F-22A Raptors. When asked how he felt flying with the American jets, Unit commander Colonel Andreas Pfeiffer, said: ‘Its unique capabilities are overwhelming from our first impressions in terms of modern air combat, but once you get to the merge, which is only a very small spectrum of air combat, in that area the Typhoon doesn’t have to fear the F-22’.

http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/we ... 202012.pdf

Y otra fuente más de más: que el Typhoon es superior en WVR al Raptor. Cita la carencia por parte del F-22 de IRST, de visor de casco y aún de misiles off-boresight, y la menor capacidad de AMRAAM frente a Meteor:
Farnborough 2012: “Yesterday we had Raptor salad for lunch” Typhoon pilot said after dogfighting with the F-22 at Red Flag Alaska
July 13, 2012

In fact the last Red Flag-Alaska saw the first attendance by both the U.S. Air Force’s F-22 Raptors and German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons.

As we have already reported, the Typhoons and the Raptor had the opportunity engage each other in dissimilar air combat training but only a part of the story about the outcome of the mock engagements has been reported so far: the one about the German commander saying that the F-22's capabilities are “overwhelming,” a statement that, according to Eurofighter sources, was taken out of context.

Indeed, Typhoon pilots at Farnborough said that, when flying without their external fuel tanks, in the WVR (Within Visual Range) arena, the Eurofighter not only held its own, but proved to be better than the Raptor.

Indeed, it looks like the F-22 tends to lose too much energy when using thust vectoring (TV): TV can be useful to enable a rapid direction change without losing sight of the adversary but, unless the Raptor can manage to immediately get in the proper position to score a kill, the energy it loses makes the then slow moving stealth combat plane quite vulnerable.

This would be coherent by analysis made in the past according to which the TV it’s not worth the energy cost unless the fighter is in the post stall regime, especially in the era of High Off Bore Sight and Helmet Mounted Display (features that the F-22 lacks).

Obviously, U.S. fighter pilots could argue that, flying a stealthy plane they will never need to engage an enemy in WVR dogfight, proving that, as already explained several times, kills and HUD captures scored during air combat training are not particularly interesting unless the actual Rules Of Engagement (ROE) and the training scenario are known.

However, not all the modern and future scenarios envisage BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements and the risk of coming to close range 1 vs 1 (or 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 etc) is still high, especially considered that the F-22 uses AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, whose maximum range is around 50 km (well below the Meteor missile used by the Typhoon).

Moreover, at that distance the Typhoon IRST (Infra-Red Search and Track) system is capable to find even a stealthy plane “especially if it is large and hot, like the F-22? a Eurofighter pilot said.

Anyway, the Typhoons scored several Raptor kills during the Red Flag Alaska. On one day a German pilot, recounting a succesfull mission ironically commented: “yesterday, we have had a Raptor salad for lunch.”

http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/13/fi ... on-raptor/

Y también en Jane's, y en Combat Aircraft

Marcas de "derribos" de F-22 Raptor pintadas en Tifones alemanes, del ejercicio Distant Frontier previo a Red Flag, 8 ejercicios BFM 1vs1 a cañón (sin visor de casco):
http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/23/f- ... -markings/
http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2012 ... -07-12.jpg
http://cencio4.files.wordpress.com/2012 ... -07-12.jpg

:arrow: 49) Un artículo sobre el ejercicio Distant Frontier que tuvo lugar en Alaska previamente al ejercicio Red Flag 2-12. En este caso, se trata del testimonio de un piloto polaco de F-16 participante. En polaco. Habla de la cooperación entre Vipers y Tifones:
Un día la fuerza azul (aliados) era un paquete (COMAO) de F-16 polacos junto a Tifones que tenían que defender una frontera imaginaria. La fuerza roja (enemigos) eran F-16 yanquis "agresores" simulando ser Su-30MKK (chinos) con misiles rusos R-27 (AA-10C y 10D). Ese día combatieron durante 35 minutos y los azules derribaron 9 Viper rojos de 10 enviados, mientras que los rojos lograron derribar 4 azules (2 Viper polacos y 2 Typhoon).

Otro día la fuerza azul eran 4 Viper polacos y 4 Tifones en misión OCA (ir a por cazas enemigos) escoltando a 2 Vipers polacos con misión AS (cada uno con cuatro GBU-38 JDAM). Los rojos eran de nuevo F-16 yanquis "agresores" simulando Su-30MKK está vez con misiles activos PL-12 chinos. Los azules lograron penetrar profundamente en territorio enemigo y atacar exitosamente sus blancos (se supone que derribarían muchos rojos, pero no dice nada).

http://lotniczapolska.pl/Europejska-koa ... asce,25065

:arrow: 50) Como ya sabíamos por un artículo de Hushkit, el DASS Praetorian del Tifón fue muy exitoso en Libia el año pasado:
Farnborough 2012: Selex looks to Asia for defence suite export
08 July 2012
Following the operational success of Selex Galileo’s Praetorian defensive aids suite aboard the Eurofighter Typhoon in Libya, the company is looking to take this and other systems to export.
Praetorian is now ‘operationally proven’ as a result of the operation
http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/digit ... -suite-ex/

:arrow: 51) Dos citas de distintas fuentes sobre velocidad del Typhoon:
The report [el resumen del informe de evaluación suiza] cites Eurofighter supercruise at Mach 1.4 without afterburners. This is a useful public data point, but seems to have been done without weapons. Eurofighters used armed supercruise during Libyan operations, but this was only possible with low-drag “4 + 2” air-to-air missile configurations, at high altitude, and to about Mach 1.2.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/swi ... -5s-04624/

Y un reportero de Flightglobal vuela en el simulador de cabina del Typhoon en Farnborough:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... e-eur.html
Quedáos con esta frase:
So the Eurofighter is fast... very, very fast. It easily pushed out to around Mach 1.5 with a full weapons load and three tanks of gas.

:arrow: 52) En julio de 2010 Euroradar comenzó el desarrollo del AESA sin compromiso gubernamental. Y aprendiendo de la derrota en India, en julio de 2012 se anunció que se firmará la integración del AESA, de un DASS avanzado, del Meteor, de mayores capacidades AA y AS, y de mayor panoplia AS:
FARNBOROUGH: Eurofighter confirms enhancement programme
10/07/2012
... will see the Typhoon gain an active electronically scanned array radar, an advanced suite of defensive aids subsystem equipment and MBDA's Meteor beyond visual-range air-to-air missile. Also to be included is the "further development of the air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities and integration of new weapons" to boost its multirole capabilities, with the latter to include Raytheon Systems' Paveway IV precision-guided bomb.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... me-374072/


:arrow: 53) Antiguo (de 2004 y 2005) pero curioso. Nunca ví los artículos completos en su día. En aquél entonces el jefe de la USAF, ahora retirado, Gen. John P. Jumper, dijo lo siguiente al comparar Raptor y Eurofighter (voló en ambos):
General John P. Jumper, Commander-inChief of the US Air Force, said after flying the Eurofighter that he was impressed with it. Right after his flight on the Eurofighter on 20 July 2004, Jumper said, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter." In particular, Jumper praised the Eurofighter's agility, manoeuvrability, acceleration and precise navigation.
And recently the General praised the Eurofighter once again, in March 2005...
http://web.archive.org/web/200705061747 ... facts.html

Raptor, Eurofighter complementary
Posted 3/22/2005

The Air Force chief of staff added to his 5,000-plus flying hours with familiarization flights in both the F/A-22 Raptor and the Eurofighter aircraft. Gen. John P. Jumper said the Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. He is the only person to have flown both aircraft.
...
Despite being designed for different missions, the Eurofighter and the Raptor are equally high-tech aircraft.
...
He said he believes the two aircraft are running neck-and-neck, but America must always be vigilant to ensure it stays on the cutting edge of aviation technology.
...
You can see the technology that is out there compared with ours," he said. "You see the avionics and all of the great progress that has been made. You make sure you are not too complacent, because the technology that they have is very competitive with technology that we have.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123010102

:arrow: 54) Sobre el radar Captor de los Tifones austríacos, en 2012:
Y un detalle sobre el Tifón, de un artículo sobre la última vez (2012) en que los austríacos han apoyado la protección del espacio aéreo suizo con ocasión de la reunión del World Economic Forum en Davos:
Gracias al potente radar CAPTOR, los Tifones también son usados para monitorizar el espacio aéreo (mini-AWACs) complementando los radares terrestres. Y gracias a su gran capacidad de búsqueda-hacia-abajo (look-down), el CAPTOR puede rastrear incluso los más profundos valles de los Alpes.

Fuentes: http://www.doppeladler.com/da/oebh/5-ja ... r-typhoon/
http://www.doppeladler.com/da/oebh/daedalus-2012/


:arrow: 55) Sobre capacidad de reconocimiento del Tifón con Litening 3 (fuente: sobre Libia 2011: http://www.baesystems.com/download/BAES ... n-the-road )
is a high-end air-to-surface platform with phenomenal reconnaissance capability.
[...]
He also rated the performance of the Litening 3 pod to be excellent and confirmed its ability, saying: “It allowed us to collect high-quality reconnaissance imagery and BDA [battle damage assessment] of where we had been which allowed NATO to rebut any pro-regime evidence that we had bombed the wrong place.
“Importantly it gave us the resolution and the ability to look into one of the most confusing battle spaces ever seen. Litening allowed us to get in very close, at a safe altitude, and look for behaviour to see and prove which people were pro-Gadaffi forces.”
[...]
Like its Tornado playmate, Typhoon offered very good non-kinetic affect and combat ISTAR capability, which fed into the analysis systems used by the RAF’s Tactical Imagery Wing. Intelligence and battle damage assessment were provided by Typhoons throughout Operation Ellamy.
[...]
The RAF’s has also used the pod on deployed operations for ISTAR (intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance), not least since the UK’s version can record still imagery.
Its integration on Typhoon incorporates a ROVER 3 (remotely-operated videoenhanced receiver) air-to-surface secure full-motion video data link [...] ROVER also provides a limited real-time reconnaissance capability.
[...]
“During Ellamy we actually added another screen [a las de la cabina], a computer tablet that we lay on our legs. It’s GPS-equipped and uploads imagery of targets already hit in the area of operations.” This allowed the pilot to look at the latest imagery and check if the target had been hit before.

Y a continuación (puntos 56 y 57) dos detalles del especial del año 2008 de Air International dedicado al desarrollo y servicio operativo del Tifón: http://es.scribd.com/doc/104158968/Lake ... Supplement

:arrow: 56) Sobre prestaciones comparadas con anteriores (F-15, F-16, F-18, F-14, Mig-29). El caza de referencia por excelencia es el F-15 y el salto que dió del Lightning a él fue equivalente al que dió al pasar del F-15 al Tifón. Es difícil apreciar diferencias entre los cazas citados, y sin embargo en cuanto vuelas en el Tifón notas la diferencia.
Imagen: http://i48.tinypic.com/2upbbyr.jpg

:arrow: 57) Sobre la cabina y el MMI, a pesar de ser algo subjetivo, también hay índices objetivos para valorarlo. Y según esos, el interfaz hombre-máquina del Tifón es el mejor de entre todos sus contemporáneos.
También se mide objetivamente por la cantidad de formación previa necesaria para dominar el MMI. Y en el caso del Tifón, basta tan sólo con 1 clase teórica muy básica y 3 sesiones de simulador para que el piloto esté más que cómodo en la cabina real.
Imagen: http://i49.tinypic.com/34dhcsh.jpg
Por cierto, aunque dos cabinas se parezcan, el MMI no es igual. Comparar MMI por su apariencia externa es como comparar dos bibliotecas por la forma de las estanterías y no por cómo están clasificados los libros que es lo importante. Dos cabinas semejantes pueden tener MMI totalmente diferentes dependiendo de muchas cosas que no se "ven". Aparte, el Typhoon es el primer caza con DVI y equipo anti-G completo.

:arrow: 58) Dos comentarios más de noviembre 2012 sobre el comportamiento AA del Tifón frente a otros cazas:
I've had a busy Autumn, Typhoon-wise, having spoken to lots of interesting people [...]
As to recent Typhoon air-to-air combat/training, the overview seems to be that the Typhoon aircrew community do not currently seem to view any other aircraft as being a threat that is in any way too hard for them to handle - except perhaps the F-22. That's not to say that you don't have to fight threat aircraft in ways that play to your strengths and not their strengths (and that if you fail to do that you can of course come a cropper). Those aircraft with better low speed/high Alpha handling (and the F/A-18C/D is king of that hill) aren't seen as a particular threat, as none can exploit the vertical in the way that Typhoon, and since the ultra-low speed stuff kills energy and "just turns you into a strafe panel". There were some very interesting specific comments about particular aircraft, and I just know that the Rafale fans will hate them when they get to read them...
Jon Lake http://typhoon.starstreak.net/forum/vie ... f=1&t=2110

Typhoon vs Rafale will have to wait for a bit, but is much less interesting than I used to think, as no Typhoon aircrew I've spoken to recently rate Rafale as being a particularly difficult opponent, and my three most recent Rafale pilot interviewees (all this month [november]) were pretty downbeat on that subject. It's a great jet though
jon lake http://typhoon.starstreak.net/forum/vie ... 0&start=20

Citas frases cosas oraciones afirmaciones declaraciones información fuentes positivas postiva buenas buena ventajas sobre el del Tifón Typhoon Eurofighter beneficiosas beneficios

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