Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

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Re: Cazas contemporáneos (generaciones 4ª "plus" y 5ª)

Notapor Orel el Lun Dic 04, 2017 10:33 am

Pues entonces no sé qué podría ser.
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor champi el Sab Dic 09, 2017 4:42 pm

Artículo de SLD Info al respecto: http://www.sldinfo.com/redefining-the-n ... -aircraft/
2017-12-01 By Robbin Laird and Ed Timperlake

As the USAF looks to its evolving air combat capability for 21st century operations, clearly continuing the path of innovation being shaped by the Pilot Operators of the capabilities of the fifth-generation aircraft is a crucial driver for change.

:arrow: The introduction of sensor fusion aircraft with new secure communication systems and an ability to trigger a wide range of multi-domain combat assets is the foundation for understanding what comes next.

And what comes next is less a generational shift defined by the platform than by its inherent upgradeability to insert many user directed requirements furthering the ability to enhance the airpower revolution generated by the fifth generation aircraft and building out the C2 and multi-domain strike capabilities of the 21st century combat force.

It is less about a platform than what is inside those platforms but also what those platforms can provide as a driver of broader combat capabilities.
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Recently, we had a chance to talk with Secretary Michael Wynne about a way to do a 21st century version of the Century Series of tactical aircraft design and testing.
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Rather than simply design a paper aircraft and then fill in the dots, Secretary Wynne has forcefully argued the case for taking the F-22 and recrafting the aircraft to shape a follow on combat capability.

The F-22 is maturing; being used a lot more than expected and will need modernization; but rather than simply modernizing from the baseline mold lines of the current aircraft, Wynne suggest combining modernization with a measured science and technology effort to rethink what is inside the aircraft subsystems and relevant design or engine features.

According to Secretary Wynne, “I need to evolve a better airplane than the F-22 to have the same command and control characteristics as the F-35.

“I need the F-22 flight characteristics to be marginally better, in the speed of flight; range and, and perhaps even stealth capability.

:arrow: “But I need it to be massively better in the command and control, and targeting aspects.

“To get there, one could take two aging F-22s, give one to the Phantom Works and give one to the Skunk Works and ask them a simple question: how would you make this airplane better than it is?

“They would be given a budget for a three year effort and an open field in front of them.

“The USAF could send in crew and support teams to the two centers to enable them to determine what the pilots really want. But it is up to the Phantom Works and Skunk Works at the end of three years to deliver their best effort modified F-22.”

At the end of the three year period, the USAF would have two variants of the evolved F-22 to choose from and can compare those two modified aircraft with the extant one to determine if the modifications really make the kind of combat difference the USAF would want.

“It is apparent we have settled on stealth; we have settled on speed under control; we have settled on needs for C2 built into the aircraft. We do not need to go back and redefine those using the requirements process. Rather lets use them as massive beta tests with current and past operators as the critics.
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“What is a sixth gen aircraft? Right now, it is an evolved gen five airplane, with plenty of feedback—and competition for the future.
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“I would be very surprised, however if Skunk Works and Phantom Works did not come back with a very capable aircraft, one which can work with the extant F-22 as a baseline and by leveraging new electronics, new propulsion and maybe even modified designs make the F-22 a better contributor to the combat space.”
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“And I can fly my modified F-22 against a fifth gen fleet of F-22s and F-35s and to determine the quality of the contribution of the modified aircraft to the combat force. It is not about an abstract platform development process; it is about taking the fifth generation revolution forward to a new level of capability and performance.”

“The gen 5.0 airplanes surprisingly brought our Combat Forces something different that I didn’t realize it was bringing. I thought it was bringing me advanced stealth and combat power, but what it really brought me was air battle management and ground battle management.

“The next generation may well be upon us with the evolution of C2 and battle management as we get re-task the big airplanes that have done battle management and basically subsume it in a web of fifth generation airplanes in contested battlespace.”
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Chema el Lun Dic 11, 2017 11:51 pm

Tiene mucho mas sentido ese F-22 modificado que un nuevo 6ª y ademas en poco tiempo van a necesitar actualizarlo.
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Tercio norte el Dom Dic 17, 2017 10:04 am

http://galaxiamilitar.es/la-fuerza-aere ... generacion

Empiezan a dar mas detalles de lo que se espera de un 6° y a hacer equipos de trabajo entre fabricantes y la USAF y la NAVY
si vis pacem para bellum
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Roberto Montesa el Dom Dic 17, 2017 10:52 am

No tienen nada que hacer ante la deslumbrante tecnologia del tifon NG que planea vendernos airbus...
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Orel el Lun Dic 18, 2017 12:12 pm

Empiezan a dar mas detalles de lo que se espera de un 6°

Básicamente, recopila lo que también venimos recopilando por aquí los últimos años :wink:

Tiene mucho mas sentido ese F-22 modificado que un nuevo 6ª y ademas en poco tiempo van a necesitar actualizarlo.

Pues no es eso lo que opinan la USAF, el Pentágono ni el actual gobierno. Hemos venido poniendo noticias al respecto de como ratificaban querer un sexta para sustituir al Raptor. Lo que no quita para que, como hacen con todos sus aviones, lo mejoren continuamente y hayan hablado de que les dure incluso hasta 2060. Pero sexta sí o sí. Para el F-X de la USAF y para el F/A-XX de la USNavy.
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Chema el Vie Dic 29, 2017 1:26 am

Que habra un 6ª, nadie lo duda si nadie ha roto la baraja para entonces.
Pero si están pensando en que el F22 llegue a 2060, no se empezara con un diseño antes del 2030/2040 y por descontado eso no quiere decir que no se hagan estudios de tecnología desde ya.
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor champi el Dom Feb 11, 2018 2:22 pm

Boceto un tanto infantil de Boeing: https://twitter.com/alert5/status/962512680740274179
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@alert5 11 hhace 11 horas

Boeing's future manned fighter concept appears again on Facebook
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor poliorcetes el Dom Feb 11, 2018 11:59 pm

Bonito boceto de los 80. Llega pelín tarde al ATF :pajaro1:
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor Orel el Lun Feb 12, 2018 9:29 am

Al final en EEUU sólo quedará Lockheed Martin como fabricante de cazas?
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor champi el Vie Feb 16, 2018 8:59 am

Rolls Royce nos habla de los motores militares que vienen: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ht-445940/

Sin la caja reductora para generar energía (convertiría el propio movimiento del motor en una dinamo) y más cortos para mejorar las características furtivas.
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Re: Cazas futuros, la sexta 6ª generación

Notapor evol el Vie Feb 16, 2018 12:16 pm

Orel escribió:Al final en EEUU sólo quedará Lockheed Martin como fabricante de cazas?


Al paso que van las fusiones a nivel mundial, en unas décadas habrá 3 o 4 grande consorcios que diseñarán aviones, y se construirán en diferentes factorías en diversos países....EEUU, Europa, Rusia, China...... :roll:
Impresión de modelos 3D militares españoles a escala, desde 1/220 a 1/72
http://evolde.blogspot.com.es/
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Re: Cazas contemporáneos (generaciones 4ª "plus" y 5ª)

Notapor Tercio norte el Mar Abr 10, 2018 9:38 am

si vis pacem para bellum
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Re: Cazas contemporáneos (generaciones 4ª "plus" y 5ª)

Notapor Roberto Montesa el Mar Abr 10, 2018 3:21 pm

Tercio norte escribió:http://www.infodefensa.com/mundo/2018/04/10/noticia-berlin-paris-impulsaran-proyecto-europeo.html
http://www.defensa.com/otan-y-europa/ho ... te-europeo


Parece que el 25 de este mes quieres anunciar o presentar algo



bien ! gili-dibu !!!

:c7
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Re: Cazas contemporáneos (generaciones 4ª "plus" y 5ª)

Notapor Roberto Montesa el Mar Abr 10, 2018 3:24 pm

''la prioridad actual es preparar para 2040 el relevo del Rafale y Tifón''

unos 10 años despues de terminar de terminar de 'desarrollar' el T3 con los AESA instalados (y soy generoso con el plazo) y decis que no renta ponerle radar nuevo al bizcocho !!
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