Moderadores: Lepanto, poliorcetes, Edu, Orel
¿Empezamos por la precisión del cañón francés?
poliorcetes escribió:¿Continuamos con el coste de los NH-90?
evol escribió:poliorcetes escribió:¿Continuamos con el coste de los NH-90?
¿Y que tiene que ver eso al respecto del Tigre?.....
En cuanto a lo del cañón, y en contraposición de lo que comenta Orel, ¿podéis poner algún articulo serio al respecto?....es para intentar ser objetivos....
poliorcetes escribió:evol escribió:poliorcetes escribió:¿Continuamos con el coste de los NH-90?
¿Y que tiene que ver eso al respecto del Tigre?.....
En cuanto a lo del cañón, y en contraposición de lo que comenta Orel, ¿podéis poner algún articulo serio al respecto?....es para intentar ser objetivos....
La relación con el tigre la has mencionado: la fábrica de Albacete
Yo no he hecho referencia al análisis de vídeos
poliorcetes escribió:?????
No puedo estar más en desacuerdo
¿Empezamos por la precisión del cañón francés?
¿Seguimos por el clásico, la ausencia clamorosa de blindaje y lo que se mintió en publicidad en el cambio de siglo?
¿Continuamos con el coste de los NH-90?
Jota Mar escribió:Durante la operación en Libia, los Gazelle acompañados por un solo Tigre, destruyeron 600 objetivos, los Apache unos 70 y son datos oficiales. Como es evidente que un Tigre es superior a un Gazelle, cada cual puede pensar lo que quiera.
Jota Mar escribió:Durante la operación en Libia, los Gazelle acompañados por un solo Tigre, destruyeron 600 objetivos, los Apache unos 70 y son datos oficiales.
“This successful engagement demonstrates the unique capabilities brought to bear by attack helicopters,” said Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard, Commander of Operation Unified Protector. “We will continue to use these assets whenever and wherever needed, using the same precision as we do in all of our missions.”
De leur côté, les hélicoptères de l’aviation légère de l’armée de terre (ALAT), appuyé par deux hélicoptères de sauvetage relevant de l’armée de l’air – lesquels, heureusement, n’ont pas eu à intervenir jusqu’à présent – ont conduit une trentaine de raids et détruit 550 objectifs, soit 90 % des frappes de la coalition réalisées par les hélicoptères, les 10 % restant ayant été effectués par les hélicoptères Apaches britanniques.
Pendant cette mission, la sûreté des projectiles a été démontrée dans un environnement électronique extrêmement agressif.
Pour leur baptême du feu à partir d'un BPC, les hélicoptères de l'ALAT ont, quant à eux, lancé quelques 431 missiles anti-char Hot.
Selon l’état-major britannique, ces cibles avaient été choisies soigneusement et rigoureusement. Un des hélicoptères a essuyé des tirs d’armes à feu mais il n’y a pas eu de tirs de missiles sol-air dont dispose pourtant l’armée libyenne. Les quatre hélicoptères sont rentrés sains et saufs sur le HMS Ocean.
Despite the risk, Major Neville encouraged and commanded his aircrews to attack a well-equipped enemy armed with more than 20,000 man-portable surface-to-air missiles and in excess of 1,000 anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) pieces.
On 22 missions the Apaches commanded by Major Neville hit more than 100 targets, firing 99 Hellfire missiles and 4,800 30mm cannon rounds.
Major Neville flew on ten of these operations and his Apache was routinely targeted by small arms fire as well as SA-24 missiles. In one of these attacks he was targeted as he was engaging an enemy communication network, but continued to see his task through while making sure there were no civilian casualties.
Según el Estado Mayor británico, uno de los helicópteros (Apache) a recibido tiros de armas de fuego, pero no ha habido tiros de misiles tierra aire de los que dispone el ejercito libio.
Mission number three was simple enough – a C2 node made up of buildings and a radio mast. The target was coastal, but we would have to go feet-dry into the centre of 32 Brigade’s operation. John and I took mission lead, with Mark Hall and Charlie Tollbrooke, on their first mission, as wing. Running in against Khamis was about to give us our first brush with the most deadly anti-helicopter weapon on the modern battlefield.
With the target several miles from the low tide mark, we had to get into Libya first, turn on to an attack heading and then tip into the strike. We looked at the map and the satellite imagery and chose the uninhabited expanse of sand dunes five nautical miles north-east of Zlitan to go in feet-dry. No one would be there to hear us cross the coast and we could intercept our attack heading, get the missiles off and get away before Khamis had got his boots on. After that we would head east and take a look at a suspected vehicle checkpoint, rattle pro-Gad some more, then track out the 20 nautics for Mother.
But the pro-Gad scouts were already out. They were hidden and waiting all along the coast, and we were expected. We launched just before midnight on Thursday, 9 June, pointed south and arrived over Libya nine minutes later.
Six seconds after that the American lady in the wing announced, ‘Missile launch 3 o’clock!’ ‘Flares! Right, 3 o’clock low!’ Charlie shouted.
Out over the side of the aircraft all four aircrew could see the missile now arcing up through the darkness, its motor burning brightly, racing directly towards them. Time slowed down to a crawl while the world around them accelerated to light speed. They braced for the impact.
From our lead aircraft, just ahead and positioning for our final run in to the target, John transmitted ‘Flares! Flares! Flares!’ in a decisive tone, followed by the briefest of pauses and then ‘Missile seen!’ – confirming what Mark and Charlie already knew and adding to the noise inside their cockpit as the aircraft’s self-defence system reacted to the missile ripping through the night towards them.
Both aircraft pushed out a rapid release of flares, briefly blinding the aircrew and identifying the aircraft like low-level shooting stars to the assembled ambush of pro-Gad chancers. We were now relying entirely on the technology inside the Apache to save us. There was fear and anger, confusion and chaos, and a missile doing Mach 2.3 towards us.
Charlie stared at the missile as though at his own mortality. Suspended there in the darkness, low through his right hand canopy, an intensely bright white flame streaked through the blackness and arced towards him. The brightness of the rocket motor and the dazzling plume in its wake captivated him. The way the missile moves is disturbing. It seems agitated, aggressive and determined. The fear is here, everywhere; there is no escape. No one is able to speak.
More flares. And the cockpit is illuminated with a double lightning flash as the whitehot flares project themselves into the night and fall away below. But on the missile comes, marauding on its demonic course to intercept the aircraft.
Another pattern of flares erupt, rushing forward into the darkness. The rotor disk above illuminates as the burning flares fall away out of sight. The missile swerves away as if seduced by the flares and then menacingly tips towards us one more time. The flares are bright enough and the missile is close enough for Charlie to see its shape, its white body and the black markings on its mid-section. Then it whips past within metres and explodes, leaving both aircraft untouched. Six seconds over Libya on their first mission and Mark and Charlie had met with and survived the SA-24. The ambush was perfect, but the missile bought the flares and now it was our turn to fight back.
Mark and Charlie immediately closed in on the SA-24 firing point in the dunes. While the missile was coming at them Mark had glanced at the firing point, flicked his left thumb across the ‘store’ button on the sights and sensors grip and sent the coordinates of SA-24 man to the FLIR, the gun and all his Hellfire; all of it done in a fraction of a second. The infrared drew them to a man rushing about on his own, appearing to hide the weapon and picking up another. Mark sent an instant burst of 30mm to suppress another attack.
John and I put two Hellfire in quick succession into the C2 node, delivering panic to pro-Gad right where he thought he was orchestrating hell, and we then joined our wing in destroying SA-24 man. Just as we had killed the triple-A shooters outside Brega the previous week, it was important to us to deal with this shooter too. A man who shoots and misses can reassess, try again or come back tomorrow with some friends and do better. He must be stopped, and we had to make it so if we were to survive the campaign.
aficiOnadO escribió:No, en el caso del Apache no sería suficiente ....
Holanda va a gastar otros 1200 millones de dólares en actualizar sus helicópteros al standar E.
https://thedefensepost.com/2018/02/21/n ... -approved/
Puede que en su día el Apache fuera la opción preferida pero el paso del tiempo a revelado que la correcta ha sido el Tigre y la fábrica de Albacete.
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