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Eurofighter boss says enhancements fundamental to sales success
11 Jul 2012
"A huge step." That was the verdict from the Eurofighter industrial consortium at the Farnborough air show on 10 July, the day after the confirmation of a four-nation agreement to proceed with a major package of enhancements.
Eurofighter last month issued a request for proposals on behalf of partner nations Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK to integrate an active electronically scanned array radar into the Typhoon, and will respond around October, says chief executive Enzo Casolini.
"The target is to have a contract by the middle of next year, for entry into service in 2015," says Casolini. "The nations are harmonising their requirements - we're more or less there." The Euroradar consortium will for now propose a system with a "simple swashplate" design for the array, which is expected to begin flight tests during 2013.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ss-374160/
Eurofighter Upgrades On Firmer Footing
July 11, 2012
“The integration of the Meteor missile, an electronically scanned radar, enhancements of the defensive aids system…would all boost the world-beating capabilities of this fantastic aircraft. This progress is good for industry, export customers and the RAF,” the prime minister commented.
Eurofighter chief executive officer Enzo Casolini reported that the four partner nations had issued a request for quotations (RFQ) on the e-scan version of the Captor radar earlier this month. The consortium would respond by October and a contract would be signed by mid-2013. Test flights could follow by the end of that year, leading to service entry in 2015, he said. The industry partners and the Euroradar consortium have been pre-funding the development.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... er-footing
13/07/2012
Inicio de las operaciones del Eurofighter en el Ala 14
El pasado 30 de abril llegaron los primeros Eurofighter al Ala 14. De acuerdo con la planificación prevista, una vez que el grupo inicial de tripulaciones y personal de mantenimiento han recibido la instrucción necesaria en el Ala 11, en Morón de la Frontera, Sevilla, ocho aviones de esa unidad se han destacado al Ala 14 para que comiencen las operaciones con el nuevo avión en el 142 Escuadrón. Mientras tanto continúa en Morón la transición de más pilotos y mecánicos del Ala 14 al nuevo sistema de armas.
Con este motivo, el día 4 de julio el Jefe de Estado Mayor del Aire (JEMA), general del aire José Jiménez Ruiz, visitó la Base Aérea de Albacete y el Ala 14. Durante la visita, centrada en el comienzo de las operaciones del Eurofighter en la Unidad, se realizó un acto de exaltación de virtudes militares que incluyó el matutino izado de Bandera. Tras reunirse con los mandos de la base se celebró el acto de Exaltación de Virtudes Militares en la plataforma frente al Grupo de Fuerzas Aéreas formando todo el personal de la base, flanqueando la formación un Mirage F-1 del 141 Escuadrón y un Eurofighter del 142 Escuadrón.
Posteriormente visitó los escuadrones 141 y 142, siendo éste último el que está dotado con aviones Eurofighter. También visitó el resto de las instalaciones que han siso o están siendo adaptadas en la Unidad para atender al nuevo sistema de armas en dotación.
Para finalizar, en el salón de actos de la unidad, el JEMA dirigió unas palabras al personal militar y civil de la base, a la que siguió un turno de preguntas e inquietudes que fueron resueltas por el JEMA en persona.
Esta visita es la primera que hace el JEMA al Ala 14 desde que llegaron los primeros Eurofighter, que como son aviones destacados del Ala 11 todavía no lucen los distintivos del Ala 14.
Farnborough 2012: “Yesterday we had Raptor salad for lunch” Typhoon pilot said after dogfighting with the F-22 at Red Flag Alaska
Although a Royal Air Force Typhoon took part to the daily air display, the most interesting thing at Farnborough International Airshow 2012 was the opportunity to get some more details about the recent participation of the German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons to the Red Flag.
In fact the last Red Flag-Alaska saw the first attendance by both the U.S. Air Force’s F-22 Raptors and German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoons.
As we have already reported, the Typhoons and the Raptor had the opportunity engage each other in dissimilar air combat training but only a part of the story about the outcome of the mock engagements has been reported so far: the one about the German commander saying that the F-22 s capabilities are "overwhelming", a statement that, according to Eurofighter sources, was taken out of context.
Indeed, Typhoon pilots at Farnborough said that, when flying without their external fuel tanks, in the WVR (Within Visual Range) arena, the Eurofighter not only held its own, but proved to be better than the Raptor.
Indeed, it looks like the F-22 tends to lose too much energy when using thust vectoring (TV): TV can be useful to enable a rapid direction change without losing sight of the adversary but, unless the Raptor can manage to immediately get in the proper position to score a kill, the energy it loses makes the then slow moving stealth combat plane quite vulnerable.
This would be coherent by analysis made in the past according to which the TV it’s not worth the energy cost unless the fighter is in the post stall regime, especially in the era of High Off Bore Sight and Helmet Mounted Display (features that the F-22 lacks).
Obviously, U.S. fighter pilots could argue that, flying a stealthy plane they will never need to engage an enemy in WVR dogfight, proving that, as already explained several times, kills and HUD captures scored during air combat training are not particularly interesting unless the actual Rules Of Engagement (ROE) and the training scenario are known.
However, not all the modern and future scenarios envisage BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements and the risk of coming to close range 1 vs 1 (or 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 etc) is still high, especially considered that the F-22 uses AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, whose maximum range is around 50 km (well below the Meteor missile used by the Typhoon).
Moreover, at that distance the Typhoon IRST (Infra-Red Search and Track) system is capable to find even a stealthy plane 'especially if it is large and hot, like the F-22' a Eurofighter pilot said.
Anyway, the Typhoons scored several Raptor kills during the Red Flag Alaska. On one day a German pilot, recounting a succesfull mission ironically commented: 'yesterday, we have had a Raptor salad for lunch'.
Sobre todo nos interesa a nosotros de cara a empezar a practicar con un tipo de aviones que no tenemos y que vamos a tardar en ver. Ellos pueden poner en marcha un programa de colaboración con cualquiera de las muchas unidades y modelos no furtivos que tienen durante cualquier dia del año, nosotros tenemos que aprovechar cada hora que podamos estar junto a esos aviones.
EADS has announced that it will offer South Korea a local manufacturing facility for the Typhoon in order to maximise the technology transfer contained in its bid. Boeing has also offered the chance for the Conformal Weapons Bays to be manufactured in Korea.
http://www.kamov.net/general-aviation/k ... to-fx-iii/
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Orel escribió:Hombre, se han podido comprobar varias cosas, de cara a ambos lados. Y eso es muy interesante. Por el lado del Tifón es muy positivo, porque si consigue esos pequeños logros frente al abrumador Raptor, es que realmente el europeo es la caña. Sin exagerar ni menospreciar nada ni a nadie.
Y esto del artículo es cierto: el Raptor carece de visor de casco, de misiles high off-boresight y de IRST. Tres elementos muy interesantes para AA (y AS excepto los off-boresight). Y el IRST de cara a furtivos.
Si los alemanes hubieran llevado el visor y el IRST (el primero no lo han llevado y el segundo no lo tienen) la cosa habría sido aún más diferente, y hablo de en WVR, no sólo en dogfight ("muy cercano").
A mí me gustó la frase de aquél artículo anterior de FlightGlobal en el que los pilotos de ambos cazas decían que juntos son una combinación letal. Y ahora que están aprendiendo a interactuar... (recordemos que en este Red Flag, no ya en el ejerciciop Distant Frontier previo que es donde se enfrentaron, se ha puesto mucho énfasis en aprender a colaborar entre Raptors y Tifones.)
Indeed, Typhoon pilots at Farnborough said that, when flying without their external fuel tanks, in the WVR (Within Visual Range) arena, the Eurofighter not only held its own, but proved to be better than the Raptor.
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However, not all the modern and future scenarios envisage BVR (Beyond Visual Range) engagements and the risk of coming to close range 1 vs 1 (or 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3 etc) is still high, especially considered that the F-22 uses AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, whose maximum range is around 50 km (well below the Meteor missile used by the Typhoon).
Moreover, at that distance the Typhoon IRST (Infra-Red Search and Track) system is capable to find even a stealthy plane 'especially if it is large and hot, like the F-22' a Eurofighter pilot said.
La realidad es que trabajaran juntos, asi que esta bien que se complementen.... Siempre habra uno que cubra las carencias de otro.
Respecto al post aleman
Las comparaciones habria que hacerlas en las circunstancias normales, no en las excepcionales.
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