Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

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Notapor dejece el Mar Nov 15, 2022 10:21 pm

gusymon6869 escribió:
dejece escribió:EURO-DRON:un futuro fracaso de la UE
Resumiendo es un aborto conceptual,al igual que el Milano del INTA, por haber nacido demasiado tarde con graves deficiencias a nivel de diseño y es un potencial derroche de dinero por su alto coste y las nulas posibilidades de exportación.Y por si todo esto fuera poco existen muchas alternativas más avanzadas,eficientes y baratas.


TOTALMENTE DE ACUERDO...

Gracias :c6
Por cierto mi agradecimiento a Poliorcetes me he inspirado en sus comentarios
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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor pagano el Mar Nov 15, 2022 11:18 pm

La nueva munición merodeadora israelí LANIUS https://www.larazon.es/tecnologia/20221 ... fn7sa.html
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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor Vorlon el Mié Nov 16, 2022 9:54 am

Imaginaros lo que significa estos pequeños drones en manos de grupos terroristas, mafia y delincuencia organizada.

Todos los circulos de seguridad que se montan en actos masivos, visitas VIP etc, quedan inmediatamente obsoletos.

El drone que se coló en un mitin de A.Merkel significó un cambio de paradigma en seguridad que aún no se toma en serio ni se toman las medidas de seguridad,por lo menos en las FCSE.

Minimas.

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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor ruso el Mié Nov 16, 2022 4:55 pm

Florentino Pérez ya previó la amenaza de los drones cuando decidió ponerle la nueva cubierta al Bernabéu. Ahora será un recinto cerrado por vía aérea en el que poder organizar actos multitudinarios de forma segura... igualito que el Spotify Nou Camp
...que parezca un accidente...
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Notapor dejece el Mié Nov 16, 2022 5:24 pm

ruso escribió:Florentino Pérez ya previó la amenaza de los drones cuando decidió ponerle la nueva cubierta al Bernabéu. Ahora será un recinto cerrado por vía aérea en el que poder organizar actos multitudinarios de forma segura... igualito que el Spotify Nou Camp

Uuu duras declaraciones :b9
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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor pagano el Mié Nov 16, 2022 6:10 pm

Vorlon escribió:Imaginaros lo que significa estos pequeños drones en manos de grupos terroristas, mafia y delincuencia organizada.

Todos los circulos de seguridad que se montan en actos masivos, visitas VIP etc, quedan inmediatamente obsoletos.

El drone que se coló en un mitin de A.Merkel significó un cambio de paradigma en seguridad que aún no se toma en serio ni se toman las medidas de seguridad,por lo menos en las FCSE.

Minimas.

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De hecho ya se han usado (terrestres) por terroristas en España: el GRAPO en 2 ocasiones con cochecitos con explosivos para detonar debajo de camiones blindados de transporte de fondos (fallecieron varios guardias jurados) para posteriormente robarlos y ETA coches de verdad modificados para conducirlos por control remoto, conocidos en el argot etarra como KAMIKAZE, usados en al menos 2 ocasiones (contra la garita de la GC en el puerto de Bilbao, con un agente asesinado y contra la casa cuartel de Vic, con 9 asesinados y multitud de heridos).
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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor Orel el Mié Nov 16, 2022 9:59 pm

El dron militar estadounidense X-37B regresa a la Tierra después de 908 días en órbita, fue lanzado el 17 de mayo de 2020 desde Cabo Cañaveral en un cohete Atlas V para su sexta misión desde 2010...
Uno de los programas a que se dedica es a conectar el X-37B con los F-22 yt F-35 y transferirles información en la misiones de guerra, pero sobre esto no hay muchos detalles.

Muy interesante.

Más sobre los S-100 Camcopter para SASEMAR, participación de la española GMV:
https://www.defensa.com/espana/gmv-piez ... r-no-s-100


Aparte. ¿Os acordáis del programa OFFSET de DARPA...?:
Drone swarms, solar-powered UAVs and congested air space management: the US Army’s experiment in the desert
14 November 2022

Set against a piercing blue sky, 40 small drones hovered near-silently in close formation above sand and scrub brush. They drifted toward a dirt road that bisected a seemingly endless expanse of desert. As the drones approached the sandy tract, about half descended and touched down gently, still in formation, astride the road, which enemies could have used to outflank nearby US Army troops. The drones were in position – ready, had they been carrying explosives, to defend against anything headed their way. At least that is the idea.

But the dozens of quadcopters used in the 9 November “swarm” manoeuvre carried no weapons. They were conducting technology demonstrations as part of Project Convergence (PC), a US Army-hosted event giving military planners a chance to test and understand new military technologies. In recent weeks, soldiers, helicopters and fleets of small drones participated in the demonstrations, held in the high desert of inland California. Participants included all branches of the US military and the armies of the UK and Australia.

The US Army’s civilian administrator, secretary Christine Wormuth, says the effort is not simply about finding and testing the latest gadgets. “These cannot just be a cool set of experiments,” says Wormuth, who attended Project Convergence demonstrations on 9 November. Rather, the efforts should help bring innovative technologies to operational use.
This year’s event, known as PC22, included demonstrations within two simulated large-scale conflicts: a European campaign and war in an Indo-Pacific maritime environment.
Some experiments were designed around specific military tasks, such as suppressing enemy air defences and – its antithesis – so-called anti-access/area denial. Specific technologies like the swarming drones were also handed over to operational military units, letting junior commanders explore how to incorporate such assets into their exercises. Numerous aviation platforms were included in PC22. Some stretched the bounds of existing military doctrine and tactics, while others identified new challenges for which solutions are required.


DRONE SWARM

Drones – including sophisticated unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) designed for military purposes, and commercially available quadcopters adapted for combat use – have become ubiquitous in modern warfare.
While previous iterations were controlled by remote operators, the drone-swarm concept uses automation to reduce the human operator’s role.

During PC22, units tested two swarm concepts covering a range of tactical functions. The road-blocking-drone obstacle demonstration was part of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency’s (DARPA’s) Offensive Swarm-Enabled Tactics (OFFSET) programme.

OFFSET, according to DARPA, aims to provide low-level tactical ground troops with a “large drone swarm” that can be used for reconnaissance, launching lethal strikes or creating aerial obstructions to enemy aircraft.
During PC22, a single operator controlled a 62-strong drone swarm using a tablet, assigning specific missions and flight manoeuvres – which the drones autonomously carried out.

US Army Colonel Trent Mills, special assistant to the director of DARPA, says multiple operators at PC22 were able to quickly learn the basics of OFFSET’s control system.
Another drone-swarm demonstration involved clusters of three to six Australian UAVs – including AeroVironment’s RQ-20 Puma – flying over designated areas to perform reconnaissance and gather intelligence.

A human operator designated tasks and targets, but the drones took over from there, generating and flying specific flight paths and search patterns. Officials say they can use artificial intelligence (AI) software to monitor reconnaissance images and identify priority targets.


SOLAR-POWERED ENDURANCE

With the advent of long-range, precision munitions, military planners increasingly seek to maximise what they call “stand-off” – the ability to operate out of range of enemy weapons. Doing so requires communications over vast distances using advanced networks and transmission sites, which must be protected from attack.

To solve that challenge, California-based Kraus Hamdani Aerospace (KHA) has proposed high-altitude solar-powered drones. It demonstrated one – its ultra-long-range K1000 – at PC22.
The fully-electric, autonomous aircraft’s wing-mounted solar panels capture electricity to power its propulsion systems and sensors, which can include day-and-night surveillance systems and various electronic warfare packages. The panels can provide 415W of power; the aircraft and its systems require 200W, with the balance used to charged the drone’s batteries.

Stefan Kraus, founder of KHA, says the K1000 has 26h of flight endurance and can reach altitudes of 20,000ft.
The drone can perform the critical function of signal retransmission – an effect enhanced by using multiple K1000s working in concert.

“The aircraft repositions itself based on the area I’m trying to cover, with multiple airborne assets simultaneously, without any human interaction,” Kraus says.
A single operator can control multiple aircraft from a small tablet, although each K1000 handles the actual flying autonomously. Kraus says operators can control a K1000 cluster from anywhere in the world. The team recently used the space-based internet network Starlink to control a K1000 at PC22 using an operator in Scotland.


HELICOPTER-LAUNCHED DRONES

The US Army calls its aircraft modernisation plan Future Vertical Lift (FVL). While next-generation helicopters are the initiative’s marquee programmes, another FVL project called Air Launched Effects (ALE) seeks to develop a range of low-cost, expendable UAVs that can be launched from a helicopter in flight.

Ultimately, FVL intends to pair ALE with the army’s planned Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA), which will replace retired Bell OH-58 Kiowa scouts and some Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopters currently being used in the scout role.

Jim Thomson, deputy director of FVL, describes ALE as a critical “enabling technology” that will provide reconnaissance, intelligence and lethal tactical support to ground forces.
ALE drones and FARA aircraft are still in development, but at PC22 an Altius-600 commercial drone was used as an ALE substitute. The system was deployed from a modified Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk using an externally mounted pneumatic launcher.

A single FARA helicopter will eventually carry up to eight ALE aircraft, all of which will be able to collaborate semi-autonomously to complete assigned missions, a concept Thomson calls “wolf pack”.
“We’re overcoming our limitations each time, and pushing the ball further,” he says. “It’s pretty exciting to see.”


CONGESTED AIRSPACE

With potentially hundreds of small aircraft operating in close quarters, PC22 demonstrations revealed the airspace complexity of modern warfare. Drone swarms and wolf packs may be sharing the sky with artillery fire and precision missiles, all of which must be “de-conflicted” to prevent accidents and avoid friendly fire.

“This space became very congested,” says Chief Warrant Officer Adam Kelly, airspace manager for the US Army’s 1st Cavalry Division, which provided forces for PC22 demonstrations. At times, as many as 25 types of aircraft were operating in his assigned airspace, which extended to 21,000ft.

The demonstrations forced leaders of the 1st Cavalry Division to consider whether to “shoot through” drone swarms with artillery or other weapons. One commander describes that scenario as a risk trade off: firing risks mistakenly knocking out friendly UAVs, and not firing risks letting enemy forces escape.
The consensus at PC22: because the drones are designed to be expendable (“attritable”, in military parlance), shoot right through them.

Army aviation leaders, including FVL director Major General Walter Rugen, say military airspace management will eventually include the use of AI tools to reduce workload and manage data coming off so many aircraft.
At PC22, aviation planners used an airspace management tool from General Dynamics called Integrated Mission Planning & Airspace Control Tools (IMPACT). Rugen says IMPACT made the airspace management process “far more fungible and far more flat”, noting that the tool required minimal operator training.

DARPA and the FVL team plan to develop more-advanced airspace management tools in the coming years. Army chief of staff General James McConville foresees an airspace management paradigm shift, saying future systems will use sensors and vast amounts of data, with “aircraft moving very, very close to one another”.


CONTESTED LOGISTICS

Army leaders also worry about their ability, during future conflicts with near-peer adversaries, to ensure reliable movement of troops and supplies. While logistics operations have largely been uncontested in wars of the past 20 years, future wars might be different.
“We know that will not be the case in the next large-scale conflict,” says the army’s head logistician Lieutenant General Charles Hamilton.
Hamilton says the Pentagon will need to develop “precision logistics” that are as accurate as modern guided weapons.

During PC22, the military tested a next-generation, GPS-enabled supply drop system called the Joint Precision Aerial Delivery System (JPADS). Available in 2,000kg (4,010lb) and 10,000kg variants, JPADS allows transport aircraft to drop resupply packages up to 25km (15 miles) away from targets, and from up to 24,000ft.
Once released, a steerable parachute controlled by an onboard computer can vector a resupply package to a predetermined point on the ground, where friendly forces can retrieve the contents.

The launch aircraft is able to remain in safer airspace as the cargo drifts toward waiting troops. The army says JPADS will also employ onboard cameras to identify landing sites.
“JPADS is a state-of-the-art technology that is commonly seen in self-driving cars or UAVs for their vision navigation,” says Ryan Buckley, senior systems engineer at US Army Combat Capabilities Development Command.

Hamilton says the precision-logistics revolution will entail not just ultra-accurate deliveries but the ability to predict when ground forces will need resupply.
“Once a unit goes forward, they will be disconnected,” Hamilton says, noting jamming and electromagnetic spectrum emission tracing will limit communication on future battlefields.
Future logistics tools may include AI predictive software and autonomous cargo drones, he adds.


A NEW WAY OF WAR

While the military bills Project Convergence as an opportunity to test new technologies, leaders say services will have to change how they fight, adapting to a future in which robots might lead frontal assaults and drones might perform scouting missions and provide troop security.
But leaders must proceed with caution to ensure humans remain in charge as automation improves.
“Where is the person in the loop?,” says army chief of staff McConville.
The answer remains unsettled. McConville suspects humans will have different roles in future wars, leaning more on technology and automation, less on human instinct and analysis.
“We have to change how we do things, not just incrementally add new equipment,” he says. “This is how we win.”

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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

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Re: Aviones sin piloto (RPAS, UAS, UCAS, drones)

Notapor Orel el Jue Nov 17, 2022 12:21 pm

pagano escribió:Se presenta otro prototipo de UCAV español. ¿Llegará a algo?
https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diari ... tar-armado
https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diari ... das-120-mm

El octacóptero ucraniano R18 de Aeroródvidka (que también despega desde las manos) ha funcionado bien, a ver éste.

Lepanto escribió:Uno de los dos drones Camcopter S-100 a bordo del portahelicópteros (PHA) Tonnerre, desplegado en la misión Corymbe en el Golfo de Guinea, se estrelló en el mar a principios de noviembre frente a la costa africana. Se está llevando a cabo una investigación para determinar las causas exactas de este accidente, que al parecer ha sido un problema técnico que precipitó su caída, mientras realizaba un vuelo de entrenamiento.
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Además de los S-100, están en el programa para el helicóptero VSR700 de Airbus... igualito que nuestra Armada sin un sólo RTUAS.

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Notapor pagano el Jue Nov 17, 2022 12:26 pm

Bueno, Orel, claro que los homólogos usados por los ucranianos son un éxito (los están usando en plan francotirador), pero como dijo el torero (creo recordar que fue Juan Belmonte) a una señora "España y yo semos ansí" parafraseando a un pasaje de una obra de Marquina. En España, las FAS tienen respecto a la aviación no tripulada un gran carajal mental y en lo que respecta a las variantes armadas, más todavía.
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Notapor champi el Jue Nov 17, 2022 9:01 pm

Airbus revela su concepto de drone acompañante pesado: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... t-for-fcas

Tiene un "ligero" sabor australiano...

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Notapor Lazarus el Jue Nov 17, 2022 10:40 pm

champi escribió:Airbus revela su concepto de drone acompañante pesado: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... t-for-fcas

Tiene un "ligero" sabor australiano...

Ligero ? Aqui alguien se ha copiado los deberes de alguien !
Enviado desde mi Nespresso con RistrettoTalk 0.59.1.31415.27alpha
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Notapor VENTURA8 el Jue Nov 17, 2022 10:43 pm

Orel escribió:Además de los S-100, están en el programa para el helicóptero VSR700 de Airbus... igualito que nuestra Armada sin un sólo RTUAS.



bueno la armada podría haber adquirido un buen puñado de alpha 900 pero no le ha dado la real gana las cosas como son . Y no, no es cuestión de presupuesto visto los que cuestan esos cacharrillos por el contrato griego, si la armada se va al ministerio y se los pide se los van a dar ( solo imaginemos a la ministra pensando en la foto de ella promocionando la industria nacional).Pero bueno ....
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Notapor pagano el Vie Nov 18, 2022 8:28 am

D-GUN y las lecciones aprendidas de los drones bombarderos ucranianos https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diari ... das-120-mm
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Notapor Orel el Vie Nov 18, 2022 10:03 am

Lazarus escribió:
champi escribió:Airbus revela su concepto de drone acompañante pesado: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... t-for-fcas
Tiene un "ligero" sabor australiano...

Ligero ? Aqui alguien se ha copiado los deberes de alguien !

Según eso todo son copias de uno, porque todos se parecen, en este campo y en muchos otros. Yo lo denomino convergencia evolutiva tecnológica.

Y a raíz de nuestro episodio de ayer:
https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diari ... iva-drones

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