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March 7, 2023 | By John A. Tirpak
AURORA, Colo.—The Air Force will field 200 Next-Generation Air Dominance aircraft and notionally 1,000 Collaborative Combat Aircraft, and will request funds in the fiscal 2024 budget to develop these new systems, Secretary Frank Kendall said in his keynote address at the AFA Warfare Symposium on March 7.
The next generation of air dominance will include both the Next-Generation Air Dominance fighter platform “and the introduction of uncrewed collaborative aircraft to provide affordable mass and dramatically increased cost effectiveness,” Kendall said.
The “notional” 1,000 CCA figure was derived from “an assumed two CCAs for 200 NGAD platforms, and an additional two for each of 300 F-35s,” Kendall said.
He cautioned that “this isn’t an inventory objective, but a planning assumption to use for analysis of things such as basic organizational structures, training and range requirements, and sustainment concepts.”
Exactly how many NGAD platforms the Air Force is planning to buy has been a closely-held secret, and even if it is “notional,” the 200 figure is revealing in that it is greater than the current inventory of F-22s which the NGAD will eventually succeed circa 2030.
Kendall has previously said as many as five CCAs could collaborate with each crewed fighter—performing missions in electronic warfare, suppression of enemy air defenses, air and ground protection, and communications—but he has also said the process of introducing them will be iterative.
Asked in a later press conference why the planning figure mentioned 300 F-35s—when the Air Force inventory objective of 1,763 F-35s has not changed since the program’s inception—Kendall said it is “just a reasonable starting point. It’s somewhat arbitrary.”
While USAF is “starting out” with a notional two CCAs to work with each of 500 fighters, “I don’t know what the ultimate inventory … would be or exactly what the ratio would be,” Kendall said. “It could be more than that. It’s going to be a question of what the technology will support and what works out best for operational forces. But we wanted to give” chief of staff Gen. Charles Q. Brown, Jr. “a reasonable assumption, … a basis to begin some planning.”
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Affordability for force-building is one of the drivers behind the push for CCAs, Kendall said—if the Air Force only buys F-35s and F-15EXs, then “we have an unaffordable Air Force.” The goal for CCAs will be to cost “some fraction” of the cost of an F-35. “We’re going to design around that,” he said.
However, Kendall also hinted that greater buys of F-35s will be coming in the fiscal 2024 budget request that goes to Congress in the next week or so, saying in his speech that the service “will be acquiring aircraft currently in production at higher rates than previously planned,” though, in general, “our previously-initiated programs are continuing as intended.”
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champi escribió:The US Air Force will field 200 Next-Generation Air Dominance aircraft and notionally 1,000 Collaborative Combat Aircraft, and will request funds in the fiscal 2024 budget to develop these new systems. The “notional” 1,000 CCA figure was derived from “an assumed two CCAs for 200 NGAD platforms, and an additional two for each of 300 F-35s,” Kendall said.
He cautioned that “this isn’t an inventory objective, but a planning assumption to use for analysis of things such as basic organizational structures, training and range requirements, and sustainment concepts.”
Exactly how many NGAD platforms the Air Force is planning to buy has been a closely-held secret, and even if it is “notional,” the 200 figure is revealing...
Kendall has previously said as many as five CCAs could collaborate with each crewed fighter —performing missions in electronic warfare, suppression of enemy air defenses, air and ground protection, and communications— but he has also said the process of introducing them will be iterative....
Orel escribió:champi escribió:The US Air Force will field :arrow: 200 Next-Generation Air Dominance aircraft and notionally 1,000 Collaborative Combat Aircraft, and will request funds in the fiscal 2024 budget to develop these new systems. The “notional” 1,000 CCA figure was derived from “an assumed two CCAs for 200 NGAD platforms, and an additional two for each of 300 F-35s,” Kendall said.
He cautioned that “this isn’t an inventory objective, but a planning assumption to use for analysis of things such as basic organizational structures, training and range requirements, and sustainment concepts.”
Exactly how many NGAD platforms the Air Force is planning to buy has been a closely-held secret, and even if it is “notional,” the 200 figure is revealing...
Kendall has previously said as many as five CCAs could collaborate with each crewed fighter —performing missions in electronic warfare, suppression of enemy air defenses, air and ground protection, and communications— but he has also said the process of introducing them will be iterative....
Estaba claro. La estimación para planificar son 5 drones escudero por cada "NGAD", y 2 por cada F-35 de un conjunto de 300 F-35. Como llevo diciendo tiempo, la generalización de la dronería de combate no es tan lejana: en todo proyecto en marcha desde hace años, se contempla que haya muchos más aviones de combate no tripulados que tripulados. Que sí, que lógicamente será iterativo, gradual, etc., madurando... pero es revolucionario.
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Estaba claro. La estimación para planificar son 5 drones escudero por cada "NGAD", y 2 por cada F-35 de un conjunto de 300 F-35.
Atticus escribió:Estaba claro. La estimación para planificar son 5 drones escudero por cada "NGAD", y 2 por cada F-35 de un conjunto de 300 F-35.
Pues yo voy a ser exceptico. Voy a colocar ese pronostico en la misma estanteria de "Todos volaremos pronto con nuestros jetpack". Para empezar, los F35 ya tal... Y eso no lo digo por nada especial. Reitero lo de siempre, o metes a un segundo señor atras para controlar los drones o lo demas es vanidad. Y como alguien me diga que los drones se controlan solos....
Franfran2424 escribió:Ahí dice q dos escuderos por cada NGAD (200 NGAD), y 2 escudero por cada F-35 (300 F-35). 500 aviones = 1000 escuderos.
Vorlon escribió:Pues eso debería ser un biplaza.
Con un operador dedicado.
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"As we went through and did our U.S. operations analysis, [we] didn't see the loyal wingman constructs really making the substantive mission impact against the peer or near-peer adversaries the way that you would have expected off the cuff," Clark said. Instead, "you started to have a distributed team and that distributed team is operating with each [one] with their own unique roles."
He explained that initial work on the manned-unmanned teaming concepts at Skunk Works showed that if the drones weren't specifically 'matched' in various ways to the manned platforms that they were supposed to be protecting or otherwise supporting, such as in terms of speed or radar signature, then they would actually provide dangerous cues to enemy integrated air defense system (IADS) networks. "Any indication or warning that they [the loyal wingmen] provided, then [would] be a tip that would then allow these IADS to start to find the things that we didn't want the adversary to find."
"So we really spent a lot of time then exploring, 'all right, what does this distributed concept look like and how would we go explore that?'" he continued.
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Clark said that going cheaper, enough for the drone to be expendable, or at least "optionally recoverable," is one option. In the other direction, the price point can go up if the unmanned platforms are better matched in terms of speed and signature to their manned counterparts since this helps reduce attrition, he added.
"As we look at these adjunct systems, well, they can be remote weapons stations operating farther forward. They're not attached. They've got a better geometry," Clark explained. You "start to see that mission impact in a pretty significant way where the survivability of the entire [force] package goes up. And that long-term campaign cost isn't growing exponentially because of the attrition."
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/v ... kunk-works
"Alexa, envia al dron 1 a atacar el objetivo A, el dron 2 el B... y preparame un cafe!"
La nueva generación de furtivos, sea el F35 o el futuro B21, una de las cosas que los define es el ancho de banda para la transmisión de datos, mucho mayor que el clásico MIDS.
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