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Gen. Mike Hostage On The F-35; No Growlers Needed When War Starts
By Colin Clark on June 06, 2014 at 4:25 AM
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The F-35’s cross section is much smaller than the F-22’s , but that does not mean, Hostage concedes, that the F-35 is necessarily superior to the F-22 when we go to war. In fact, Hostage says that it takes eight F-35s to do what two F-22s can handle.
“The F-35 is geared to go out and take down the surface targets,” says Hostage, leaning forward. “The F-35 doesn’t have the altitude, doesn’t have the speed [of the F-22], but it can beat the F-22 in stealth .” But stealth — the ability to elude or greatly complicate an enemy’s ability to find and destroy an aircraft using a combination of design, tactics and technology — is not a magic pill, Hostage reminds us.
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The F-35, critics say, can be spotted by low frequency radar (as can almost any aircraft, no matter how stealthy) and isn’t as good at dogfighting as is the F-22. But Hostage says, as do other senior Air Force and Marine officers, that an F-35 pilot who engages in a dogfight has probably made a mistake or has already broken through those IADS lanes and is facing a second wave of enemy aircraft. The F-35, he says, has “at least” the maneuverability and thrust and weight of the F-16. The F-35 is to the F-22 as the F-16 is to the F-15. The latter aircraft are the kings of air to air combat. The F-35 and the F-16 are the mainstay of the air fleet, designed for both air-to-air and air-to-ground attacks.
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No sé si será verdad o no, pero para mí tiene más credibilidad que un bloguero o que un forista como nosotros.
Respecto a lo de las comunicaciones no tiene mucho sentido lo que dices. Si quieres priorizar la furtividad simplemente no compartes tus datos y vas en "pasivo". ... será que tan mal no funciona...
2012-09-11 By Robbin Laird
When Ed Timperlake and I wrote our piece for Joint Forces Quarterly on the F-35 and the future of power projection, we started with a discussion we had earlier with Lt. Col. Berke during his time at Nellis AFB.
Then Lt. Col. Berke was flying the F-22 Raptor and the interview was entitled appropriately enough: “What is the 5th generation aircraft all about: A view from the cockpit.”
Berke’s background is unique and comprehensive.
Lieutenant Colonel Berke has been an F-18 pilot, an F-16 pilot, a TOPGUN instructor and served as ground Forward Air Controller supporting the US Army for a year. He gained his Viper experience in an F-16 flying aggressor tactics at TOPGUN; so you have a Marine Hornet Driver flying “foreign tactics” in a Navy training squadron in an AF Fighter. He was flying the Raptor and shaping tactics for the plane in its joint force role.
He now is a squadron commander for the F-35 at Eglin AFB.
Lt. Col. David Berke, the Commanding Officer for the Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501, flew the 100th F-35 Lightning II sortie at the installation. This occurred on July 11, 2012.
I interviewed Berke on August 24, 2012, the day the 199th and 200th sorties were flown, underscoring up the uptick in sorties of the aircraft.
Question: You have flown the F-22 for some time and now you are flying the F-35. How would compare the two 5th generation aircraft?
Berke: The F-35 is not as mature as the F-22 as a flight system so it’s difficult to draw conclusions in some areas. The F-22 was my transition out of legacy aircraft and the legacy mindset. It was the aircraft where I started the 5th generation evolution.
With regard to the F-35, I absolutely love flying the airplane. It is more fun than I thought it would be to fly.
And there is marked difference between the two aircraft with regard to the cockpit and the pilot interface.
In contrast to the F-35, the F-22 has a 4th generation cockpit on top of a 5th generation sensor and information system. It’s a very nice fourth gen cockpit when you’re talking multifunctional displays, push buttons, etc. but it is more like legacy platforms.
The beauty of the F-35 is that it has a very clean cockpit.
When they talk about heads up and heads down, the F-35 truly is heads up everywhere.
With an F-22, you have displays down between your knees. You’ve got four multifunctional displays you of work with on a regular basis.
With the F-35, everything is out in front of you; it’s all touch screen. It’s one huge piece of glass. There are no buttons, switches, or knobs and it’s truly a glass cockpit; and then with the helmet the display is put all around the pilot.
In other words, the two marked differences between the F-22 and the F-35 are the displays and the helmet, and both of those interfaces in the F-35 are unbelievable. The set up significantly reduces the workload for the pilot.
Before flying the F-35 I was skeptical about the touch screen. I am a believer now.
Whoever designed the F-35 cockpit is a genius. The bottom line is that is just works.
Question: How would explain the difference between the F-35 and the other planes you have flown as well?
Berke: I’ve been asked to explain my experience a lot of times, and I’ve summarized it in a way that I think resonates with a lot of folks. If you took a room full of fighter pilots, and asked them to whiteboard the list of capabilities they would like, what would be the result?
The list would include speed, turning performance, stealth, maneuverability, what have you. But if you could only pick one, if you were limited to picking one characteristic, I would guarantee every fighter pilot in the room would pick is situational awareness. A pilot armed with situational awareness, even if he didn’t have all the other capabilities that he wanted, is absolutely the most survivable and lethal pilot out there.
And the thing about the F35 that it has in spades, well beyond any other aircraft is situational awareness.
And when you start talking about the other enablers; an unbelievable engine, a truly expeditionary platform, excellent maneuverability, the stealth, the variety of sensors and ordnance we’re going to be able to carry, it only gets better.
And that’s the F35 in a nutshell; it is a situational awareness machine.
Question: You are a Marine, so what does the F-35 bring to the Marine Corps?
Berke: The plane fits what Marines do. We thrive on flexibility, rapid response time, and the ability to go where the action needs to be. We need to be able to operate across the spectrum of operations, and that means flexibility with effectiveness.
Currently, we rely on a range of air assets to accomplish our tasks; the F-35 streamlines and simplifies our means.
And when we get the F-35 into the MAGTF we will discover over time the capabilities the aircraft brings to the fight. And it will reside in a single aircraft and combat team, rather than needing three or more aircraft to provide for the functionality we are looking for.
Question: You were a FAC. How will the F-35 affect this function?
Berke: As a Marine FAC supporting the Army in our operating area, I was asked to advise what would be available with regard to air support. I would have to reach out and back to determine aircraft availability and what platform best suited our needs on any given day. With the F-35, we will bring any and all legacy tactical capability in a single aircraft.
But learning will take time.
Transformation does not happen in a day or a week or a month. This is an innovative aircraft, not just by how it flies and not by the information it possesses but how that information will be used in combat.
Innovation takes time, and there will be growth and development in the understanding of how to use the aircraft over time as it is used by the warfighters.
I think the Marine Corps deserves a lot of credit for understanding that this will take time; it is not as simple as determining how you use an F-18.
I also think that although it is a tactical aircraft, it will be part of a strategic transformation.
The ability of the aircraft working with the other elements of the Marine Corps in the future will allow tactical maneuver to have a strategic consequence.
Everyone’s going to have to understand how this aircraft changes the way they do business.
And it’s not going to be as simple as a pilot just having a different sensor or a different capability that comes online with a software upgrade.
This is an entirely new way of not just flying, but flying as it relates to supporting the ground scheme of maneuver, and that’s what we do in the USMC.
Editor’s Note: The F-22 billet, which Chip Berke went to, was created by Secretary Wynne; I asked Wynne to comment on the interview and the USMC approach.
This is terrific; and the USMC is doing exactly as we wanted.
That is; putting the aircraft n the hands of operators with engineers listening to what they need.
Now they need to put them into a combat situation such that they must think outside the box to survive. That is what joint exercises try to do.
Pues eso, que la maniobrabilidad pierde relevancia. Si le dan a escoger a cualquier piloto una cualidad es la conciencia situacional, no la aceleración, la capacidad de girar cerrado o de supercrucero. La cualidad número 1 es la dichosa conciencia situacional, y ahí el F-35 es imbatible. Vuelvo a repetir que las reglas del juego han cambiado, ya no hay que pensar en los términos de los 4ª porque eso se acabó.
¿Y quien piensa así?
No puedes negar la mayor cuando todos los quintas que se están diseñando lo hacen contando con ello.
Si entre dos cazas de semejante nivel de furtividad y conciencia situacional, uno tiene mejores prestaciones y agilidad, ¿quién lleva la ventaja? Pues eso.
Hombre, todo este debate sale a raíz de una noticia en la que se cuestiona la capacidad de superioridad aérea del F-35 simplemente porque una unidad de desarrollo no fue capaz de apuntar con el morro a un F-16. Así que sí, hay muchísima gente que piensa así.
Si hablamos de diseño, la tendencia es a llevar más combustible interno, bahías de carga internas, motores con mayor índice de derivación y líneas furtivas (que no son las más aerodinámicas). Todo ello en contra de maniobrabilidad y velocidad punta. Fíjate incluso en el diseño de las tomas de aire, dime cuántos de los nuevos diseños las tienen variables. Y de paso responde a preguntas como: ¿Mejora el T-50 la maniobrabilidad del Su-30? ¿Mejora el J-20 la maniobrabilidad del J-10? ¿Es el J-31 un diseño en el que prima la maniobrabilidad? Los demás son solo conceptos, el único que volará casi con seguridad es el japonés, y por su tamaño no parece más que un demostrador de vuelo.
Si entre dos cazas de semejante nivel de furtividad y conciencia situacional, uno tiene mejores prestaciones y agilidad, ¿quién lleva la ventaja? Pues eso.
¿Tienen los diseños rusos o chinos el mismo nivel de furtividad y conciencia situacional? Yo no lo sé, pero parece que tú sí tienes la respuesta...
...Y al F-35 le tocará hacer más de lo que estaba requerido.
Responde por favor a la pregunta sin modelos.
mientras que son estos los que realmente se desempeñan contra los enemigos por sus superiores prestaciones y agilidad, energía, carga y autonomía combatiendo
Jodó, y yo que estaba pensando en poner una foto de Adriana Lima...
O no...
Repito... y la US NAVY ?
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