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alejandro_ escribió:...y nosotros con seis HAP con los que no se sabe qué hacer
¿Sería una posibilidad que España los venda?
Vorlon escribió:Es muy curioso como la fuerza Aérea Libanesa ha montado unos soportes de armas de manera sencilla con unas simples barras de acero .
http://www.ridder.aero/downloads/ca-1912.pdf
Evidentemente, parece artesanal, pero en Occidente esto habría costado un presupuesto multimillonario.
saludos
Azael escribió:alejandro_ escribió:...y nosotros con seis HAP con los que no se sabe qué hacer
¿Sería una posibilidad que España los venda?
En un contexto en donde cada vez es más fácil obtener un AH-64, se me hace un poco complicado que alguien quiera adquirir helicópteros Eurocopter.
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Sikorsky Aircraft Corp., a Lockheed Martin company, Stratford, Connecticut, is awarded a $550,372,323 modification (P00043) to previously awarded fixed-price-incentive (firm target), firm-fixed-price contract N00019-16-C-0048. This modification is for Lot IV low rate initial production and delivery of six CH-53K aircraft and associated aircraft, programmatic and logistics support, rate tooling and physical configuration audits. Work will be performed in Stratford, Connecticut (33.17%); Wichita, Kansas (11.51%); Salt Lake City, Utah (7.18%); Hazelwood, Missouri (6.28%); Bridgeport, West Virginia (3.22%); Redmond, Washington (2.12%); Windsor Lock, Connecticut (1.84%); Kent, Washington (1.54%); Fort Worth, Texas (1.44%); Quebec, Canada (1.35%); Cudahy, Wisconsin (1.29%); Rochester, United Kingdom (1.27%); Fort Walton Beach, Florida (1.11%); various locations within the continental U.S. (24.68%); and various locations outside the continental U.S. (2%), and is expected to be completed in July 2024. Fiscal 2020 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $519,899,846; and fiscal 2021 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $30,472,477 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
Lockheed Martin Corp., Owego, New York, is awarded a $193,980,348 contract modification (P00019) to previously awarded firm-fixed-price contract N00019-19-C-0013. This modification adds a $180,000,000 not-to-exceed, undefinitized line item for the production and delivery of four MH-60R aircraft, and exercises a $13,980,348 option to procure three airborne low frequency sonars in support of the government of Greece. Work will be performed in Owego, New York (49%); Stratford, Connecticut (37%); Troy, Alabama (7%); Brest, France (6%); and Portsmouth, Rhode Island (1%), and is expected to be completed in February 2025. Foreign Military Sales funds in the amount of $43,980,348 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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Sikorsky Aircraft Corp., a Lockheed Martin Co., Stratford, Connecticut, is awarded a $16,590,126 modification (P0001) to firm-fixed-price order N00019-20-F-0256 against previously issued basic ordering agreement N00019-19-G-0029. This modification procures 190 spare parts and provides support for the repair and maintenance of the CH-53K Low Rate Initial Production configuration aircraft. Work will be performed in Rochester, United Kingdom (21.02%); Stratford, Connecticut (13.03%); Garden Grove, California (12.98%); Windsor, Connecticut (12.41%); Forest, Ohio (9.85%); Quebec, Canada (8.95%); Chesterfield, Missouri (8.8%); Windsor Locks, Connecticut (6.31%); Hazelwood, Missouri (2.01%); Rockmart, Georgia (1.66%); Lebanon, New Hampshire (1.18%); and various locations within the continental U.S. (1.8%), and is expected to be completed in December 2022. Fiscal 2020 aircraft procurement (Navy) funds in the amount of $16,590,126 will be obligated at time of award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Maryland, is the contracting activity.
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12.3 PAH-2 / HAC3G Tiger
The MoD conducted discussions in October 1984 (60) to ascertain the status and capability of the aircraft being developed by the Franco-German PAH-2/HAP/HAC3G Programme. The UK interest was solely in the French HAC3G (Hélicoptère Anti Char Troisième Generation), which was planned to use the TRIGAT LR and its associated mast-mounted sight.
“Of the three versions, it is HAC3G which has formed the basis of our discussions with Germany and France: HAP is not intended for the same role as GST3971, and PAH-2 is in our judgement a seriously flawed concept. HAC3G, at least, meets GST3971 in its ISD, in being designed from the outset to carry up to 8 TRIGAT … and in having night/bad weather capability combined with a mast mounted sight. However, … it fails to meet the GST in terms of airborne performance.” (Reference 33 para 18) It is fair to say that the MoD did not view this programme favourably, partially because of the aircraft’s characteristics, but significantly due to the somewhat hostile attitude of the parties involved to UK involvement in the programme. Without dwelling on it at length, it is worth repeating a few of the observations made in the MoDPhase 1 Feasibility Report (61):
· HAC3G will have MMS and TRIGAT but “falls short of GST3971 in terms of airborne performance in all areas at realistic mission weights”.
· “The speeds and acceleration specified for HAC3G are already achieved by in-service helicopters and offer no significant improvement for the future.”
· There would be a lack of UK influence over the specification. “A particular point of concern to us, however, on PAH2/HAC3G is Eurocopter’s insistence that WHL should act as subcontractor to MBB and Aerospatiale and would not be offered full membership of the joint company. If this route were followed … Westland (and possibly UK equipment suppliers also) would be reduced to a second-rate status incompatible with their position as equal partners on EH101.”
· “ … the Franco/German decision to launch the development of PAH-2/HAC3G in May this year was greeted by strong criticism from Italy at all levels of government and industry on the grounds that the Franco-German project represented an unnecessary duplication of an existing European programme, contrary to the 1978 declaration, and this hostility has been maintained subsequently.” and “… a decision in favour of PAH-2/HAC3G would undoubtedly incur the opprobrium of Italy and could very well prove very damaging to the chances for the success of EH101.”
· Consequently, it was recommended “That France and Germany be informed as soon as possible that we do not wish to proceed with participation in their PAH-2/HAC3G programme.”
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15.7 Eurocopter PAH-2 / HAC-3G
The MoD Phase 1 Feasibility Report is generally unfavourable in respect of PAH-2 / HAC-3G, the main considerations being relatively poor performance, concerns about future mass growth, and highly unfavourable collaborative terms offered for both the MoD and Westland Helicopters. The Report recommended that “France and Germany be informed as soon as possible that we do not wish to proceed with participation in their PAH-2 / HAC-3G programme.” Westland activity in relation to PAH-2 / HAC-3G was limited to assisting Eurocopter in preparing a summary of its capability against UK requirements, to be provided to UK MoD (FS/RW).
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champi escribió:Imágenes del H-160M desde Francia
Vorlon escribió:¿Que toman en Airbus Helicopter?....
Al H160 le colocan una pértiga, le diseñan como dios manda una ventanilla para armas y al NH90 la cagan totalmente.
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Atticus escribió: pero lo mismo utilizar transportes como vectores de armas no tiene demasiado sentido si es a costa de ser transportes.
También hay que tener en cuenta que el H160M está diseñado sólo por Airbus Helicopters, mientras que el NH90 es un consorcio y un programa multinacional, en el que los ciclos de decisión y diseño no tienen nada que ver...Vorlon escribió:¿Que toman en Airbus Helicopter?....
Al H160 le colocan una pértiga, le diseñan como dios manda una ventanilla para armas y al NH90 la cagan totalmente.
Parece que hay intenciones de cuatro ejemplares para las FCSE, ¿ A dedo, lo habrán evaluado contra el H145T2 o el AW139? . porque ambos son excelentes y probados.
saludos
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